Practicing Catholic and Supports PP

[Papist]

4 hours ago, havok579257 said:

usually from what i see its either sex is a very reverent topic and should be discussed with a priest or its to graphic to talk about unless in the broadest sense.  

 

I don't believe the problem lies with the church's message on sex marriage.  I believe the problem lies with how the message is presented or how it is not being presented.

I never heard of such.  Talking to a priest is always a good idea. But only a priest, would never have occurred to me.  

3 hours ago, Maggyie said:

Also it's the fact that for a lot of people NFP smells of elderberries and is a lot of work and can make you unhappy. Popping a pill is less work even though it also can make you very unhappy, and is immoral to boot. Yulinda probably comes from a community where the culture isn't very Catholic. Or one where premarital sex exists alongside the  Church. 

Not to mention what the chemical filled pill does to a woman's body/health.

1 hour ago, Archaeology cat said:

NFP instructor here, and I can attest to this. When many hear about NFP from the Church, they're told how beautiful and wonderful it is. My own presentation (from the BOMA-US organization) has a slide about "the beauty of waiting" when talking about the required periodic abstinence, so I am always clarifying that it's beautiful in the sense that fasting or any other sacrifice is beautiful, but that doesn't make it fun or easy. 

Anyway, so when a couple finds that NFP isn't all sunshine and lollipops, as it was presented to them, they either feel like they're doing it wrong and are afraid to admit their struggles, or they just stop. There's not much real support for couples who are having a hard time with it. While many couples don't have excessive abstinence with it, some do, and that's a real hardship that needs to be addressed. Not by telling them to quit, but by real support. I'm the only NFP instructor in my parish - a parish with 1000s of families. I cannot support every couple in the parish (not that they're asking me, because most don't even know about me unless they're getting married and the priest tells them to talk to me because NFP is required for marriage prep here). 

I can certainly understand why Yulinda doesn't feel supported. No, this doesn't make her choice correct, but does show that we have more work to do to educate and support. 

Problem is that even if someone explained the Church's authentic teachings, Yulinda would probably still choose PP and birth control.  It is very hard to get someone to shift their paradigm of the believe that the pill is the silver bullet of preventing pregnancy.   And I am sure PP has explained all the adverse side effects of the pill.

[havok579257]

1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

I like how all the propaganda goes like this:  I'm a victim because the Church doesn't do X.  But Planned Parenthood is the hero because they give what the Church doesn't provide.    

I think people just want to sin and still be saved---indulge all they want in the pleasures of the flesh and not be told its wrong.  The propaganda says it all:  "where beliefs and health care decisions are respected without judgement."  

As for the Church not saying enough...we have hundreds of documents, doctrines, encylicals, theological discussions on Human Sexuality.  Regardless of what children are being taught these days in our watered down parish catechism classes, we are all born with an innate desire for purity.  Watching children watch television, most all of them cover their eyes when a mushy scene comes out on the screen.  Same with our bodies.  Don't we all tend to cover the most private parts of ourselves if someone accidentally walks in on us changing?  It's a natural response.  Even unbelievers know sex before marriage is somehow tainted.  It's why when kids start having sex, they hide.  Its all done in the dark, in private, away from anyone finding out.  It's shameful to them even when they don't follow a religion or God.  

Secularists have been calling us Catholics repressive and "scared" of sex for decades.  They like to say religion makes the naked body shameful and wicked.  I turn around and tell these critics, "religion makes the naked body sacred."  There's a huge difference.  

Read the beauty that is Theology of the Body.  True Catholics have the best sex in the entire world.  

yes there are documents galore but and maybe i am just not as smart as most, but they are not easy reads.  Lots of these documents you need to re-read numerous times to understand them.  Then when someone comes along and tries to dumb down the documents for us, they get critized to no end like Christopher West and the author of Holy Sex. Its not even like catholics when they present these topics can get on the same page.  

 

Yes we have an innate desire for purity but when one side is saying have sex, all you want, use birth control and there are no worries and there is nothing wrong with it and the other side has conflicting arguements about nfp, have documents that are very hard to read, when someone tries to dumb down the documents for the masses they are attacked and the fact that most of this has to be done solo by the individual person as opposed to the community together... well what side do you think someone who is not a devout catholic pick?

 

Religon makes the naked body sacred as it should.  The problem is so many catholics assosicate the naked body with sex and then fear talking about it openly while the other side has no such problems.

[Archaeology cat]

2 hours ago, Papist said:

I never heard of such.  Talking to a priest is always a good idea. But only a priest, would never have occurred to me.  

Not to mention what the chemical filled pill does to a woman's body/health.

Problem is that even if someone explained the Church's authentic teachings, Yulinda would probably still choose PP and birth control.  It is very hard to get someone to shift their paradigm of the believe that the pill is the silver bullet of preventing pregnancy.   And I am sure PP has explained all the adverse side effects of the pill.

It's entirely possible Yulinda would still have chosen PP. We can't solve everything with better info being given, but it certainly helps some. As for PP explaining the adverse side effects, I'm skeptical of that. At least, none of my docs ever mentioned that at all. That included 2 Catholic OB/GYNs who prescribed it (ostensibly for medical reasons, without telling me possible adverse effects or about alternatives. I try not to be bitter/angry, and fail a lot of the time). 

[Norseman82]

On Wednesday, January 04, 2017 at 3:40 PM, little2add said:

this video is pure propaganda, insincere and dishonest.  There is nothing spiritual about it nor does it respect catholic beliefs.

 

Agreed.  Let's call it for what it is - Satan going around the world seeking the ruin of souls.

12 hours ago, Papist said:

Not to mention what the chemical filled pill does to a woman's body/health.

 

Not to mention the environmental side-effects:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMN0SO3SHZ8

 

14 hours ago, havok579257 said:

its not just that nfp is a lot of work, it also that nfp can cause issues in a lot of marriages.  my wife and i use nfp to space children and due to her being all over the charts we go weeks, some times many weeks at a time not having sex.  i don't care how strong you think your marriage is, it will still cause friction.  the marriages that are the strongest ones will be able to get through it but the ones that are newer or not as strong will have major issues.  nfp is very hard in general but extremely hard for the cases like ours.

 

so it is hard for people to look at nfp and see their friends use it in their marriages and it causes issues and not think the pill is easier.  it also doesn't make it any easier when people's response is "its your cross to bare".

 

the problem lies in how we get the message across.  we don't do enough in advocating why nfp is better than the pill.  not to mention you have issues on nfp between catholics amoungst themselves with some prasing nfp and other saying it should not be used.  to much confliction.we as the other side is not conflicted on their message and they get their message across where everyone understands it clearly.  take a pill, don't get pregnant, have as much sex as you want.  

Agreed with you on the "self-appointed NFP police".  However, one reason that many Catholics appear to be "hung up" over sexual matters is not just because of the cranky old "Church lady", but also because people are concerned about children hearing things that parents feel they are not ready to hear (you've posted that you have children, so I'm sure you can appreciate that).