Cardinal Schonborn Questions European Immigration Policy

[Socrates]

On 1/4/2017 at 1:08 AM, Nihil Obstat said:

Interesting position for him to take.

Seems to me the only sane position for him to take, un-pc as it may be.  Anyone unconcerned about the effects of massive Muslim immigration to Europe and its "Islamisation" has either no regard for the future of Europe or the Christian Faith, or else has his head in the sand.

And this would be a serious issue even without the issue of terrorism.

It's also true that this problem was made possible by the prior massive secularization of Europe and the rapid aging of its native populations, which has created economic incentive for mass immigration.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Socrates

[Nihil Obstat]

Just now, Socrates said:

Seems to me the only sane position for him to take, un-pc as it may be.  Anyone unconcerned about the effects of massive Muslim immigration to Europe and its "Islamisation" has either no regard for the future of Europe or the Christian Faith, or else has his head in the sand.

And this would be a serious issue even without the issue of terrorism.

It's also true that this problem was made possible by the prior massive secularization of Europe and the rapid aging of its native populations, which has created economic incentive for mass immigration.

Interesting because it is him, especially.

[bardegaulois]

On 1/3/2017 at 9:16 PM, PhuturePriest said:

Despite the dubious title and bland topic Breitbart (inevitably) chose to focus on, this is a rather interesting evolution for Cardinal Schonborn to take, voicing concern over the "Islamisation of Europe" and Muslims' ultimate plan of converting Christian Europe to Islam: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/03/next-pope-says-trump-could-be-like-best-president-reagan/

He also decries the anti-religious freedom laws in many Muslim-dominant countries, and ultimately lays the blame of Islamic conversion on us, essentially stating we have lost our Christian roots to secularism and consumerism.

This is in comparison to his previous comments nearly one year ago, comparing nations refusing immigrants as a new "iron curtain": https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=27216

Given that he lives around an area of the world in which there have been numerous issues concerning terrorist attacks and mass sexual assault on women and children, it seems his renewed stance is one of experience and not a mere change of whim.

Your thoughts on this? I'm not against accepting refugees of any nationality or religion, but I do think Europe's (in particular Germany's) policies concerning open immigration without any pretense of a vetting process is imprudent to the point of immorality, despite the undoubtedly good intentions behind it.

Greetings, all. I might explain my absence for a time later, but this calls out for commentary. Some might remember that a year to a year and a half ago, I spoke a lot about this issue, and think it worthy to speak again.

PhuturePriest, I'm with you on open immigration, especially when the nations of Europe and even to a good extent the United States have such lavish welfare states. In fact, even John Maynard Keynes, one of the ideologues behind post-war liberalism, said often that welfare states and unbridled immigration were incompatible, and that the welfare of the native citizens would be the real loser. Reading that a few months ago, I was astounded to find that, for once, I agreed with Keynes.

With Brexit in the UK, Trump in the US, and the rejection of constitutional reforms in Italy, the irate citizenry of the Western world is now waking up to this. Regarding the European situation, though, we must add that the migrants seeking the advantages of their benefits, though, are partisans of a hostile ideology - and I say that because Islam is as much ideological as it is religious. Moreover, many migrants are coming from lawless lands such as Afghanistan and Somalia; can we reasonably expect that those coming in will respect the rule of law that makes our lands civilized?

I don't think that we can, and a good number of our women and children have suffered because of it. This predates even the latest migrant waves; those in the UK will likely think of the Rotherham and Rochdale sex rings, made all the worse because of an institutionalized political correctness that prevented these from being investigated and broken up sooner. With the new migrant wave, we've had yet more of this, the grope-fest in Cologne last year sticking out foremost in my mind, though not a month goes by that I don't read of egregious rape or murder of women and children by a migrant from a barbarous land. Perhaps some, due to a misplaced good will, thought a welcome into the civilized world would change their ways, but they have been proved wrong. They're up to the same actions that disgusted American soldiers when they served there: https://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/28/green-beret-who-beat-up-accused-child-rapist-can-stay-army/83679604/

I've not even yet spoken about terroristic violence yet, but even without the high-profile mass killings, the attacks on women and children are reason enough to keep most from these areas out. I've had a lot of complaints about Schönborn in the past (notably about his actions during the recent Synod), but if even he is wising up to this, then maybe we'd do well to listen.

[Guest]

Patriots Day came out last night. It's about the Boston Marathon and all the Hero's and the Antichrist's . It's starring our Catholic brother Mark Whalberg. One of the best movies I've seen. You will be in tears. Go see it. It puts that satanic false religion in it's proper place as well. 

Edited January 13, 2017 by Guest

[Didacus]

Immigration should never reach a level that compromises a nation's basic character.