PIPELINE

[Anomaly]

Apparently that would require the Keystone XL which Barack vetoed after being approved by both houses of congress.  Why do you love decadence so much to cause you to hate the Sioux, clean water, and frugal living so much?

[Nihil Obstat]

I live in a city where every other guy you meet is a geologist or a geophysicist. When oil is bad, we hurt very quickly.  Really should be diversifying more, but it takes time and money.

Canada just approved two new pipelines, so that is a start.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

If one wants to play Torquemada, those approvals of Canada are a good start.

[ardillacid]

the pipeline just got 10 feet higher

[<3 PopeFrancis]

Just driving home:

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/pittsburgh-man-reported-franklinville-gas-leak-after-viewing-youtube-video/article_32e630bc-b917-11e6-b905-638ab11952ea.html

[Papist]

[<3 PopeFrancis]

prop, again!

 

[Socrates]

On 12/1/2016 at 0:01 PM, <3 PopeFrancis said:

Thoughts on this subject.  This pipeline is going to start problems worldwide.  Al Jazeera is watching closely; they have more news on the subject than we do. 

Before the onslaught comes, just want to say if these people are suffering now  They really are going to and they know it.  

Really, Can you blame the Middle East sometimes?  As they see it (correctly) they are suffering because of this decadence.  Part of feeding the world is sharing  and trading resources.  I understand we need to become self-sufficient; this is not the time or the way.  

 

Well, I must hand it to you for the feat of cramming such a large amount of ignorance and misinformation in such a small space.

I think in itself the Dakota Access Pipeline and similar projects are in themselves a good thing, as they will help us gain energy independence from OPEC, lower energy costs, and help create jobs.

However, I'm also a strong believer in property rights, and think these must be respected.  The reality is that the oil company responsible got the permission of landowners along the proposed pipeline route, and the four states affected, as well as interviewed numerous Indian tribes.  This  was done years ago, but it appears to be only recently that these protests began, bolstered by the involvement from the usual lefty Hollywood crowd.  The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe had been given a chance to voice concerns, but had remained silent until now.

 

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Indeed, as a recent commentary in The Daily Signal notes, “The Army Corps consulted with 55 Native American tribes at least 389 times, after which they proposed 140 variations of the route to avoid culturally sensitive areas in North Dakota.”

Warren noted that if he had known ahead of time that the pipeline would generate such harsh backlash, his company would have never built there.

“We would have gone the Army Corps of engineers said please, give us another route,” he said. “But this is the route they endorsed. This is the route they chose. They helped choose for us.”

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/newsflash-hollywood-the-dakota-access-pipeline-isnt-affected-by-your-blind-humanitarianism#sthash.9FlbbFZ4.dpuf

 

 

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/newsflash-hollywood-the-dakota-access-pipeline-isnt-affected-by-your-blind-humanitarianism

 

While this needs to be worked out between the Standing Rock Sioux and the oil company, your remarks about the Middle East, and your apparent blaming of oil pipelines in the U.S. for Islamist violence, is completely nonsensical.

First, people in the oil-producing nations of the Middle East aren't exactly starving to death, but these - including Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia - are among the richest countries in the world per capita, Qatar being the number one richest in the world by everyone's charts.  And meg-rich oil shieks in Saudi Arabia are the world's leading financiers of radical Islam.  These countries have enormous wealth and undo influence on the world due entirely to their possession of so much of the world's oil.

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/richest-countries-in-the-world?page=12

Also, all leftist propaganda to the contrary, the reality is that Islamist violence and terrorism are not the result of poverty.  Jihadist Islam is not and never was about money.  Research has shown that most involved in Islamic terrorism do not come from backgrounds of desperate poverty, and most are from middle to upper-class backgrounds, including oil billionaire Osama bin Laden, and everyone involved in the 9-11 attacks.

There are many much poorer countries in the world which do not engage in similar violence.

Blaming oil pipelines in North Dakota for Jihadism and violence in the Middle East is just uninformed and ridiculous.  By such logic, I suppose we should avoid making anything in America, lest we deprive some poor folks in China of business.  Sorry, but America does not owe the oil shieks of the OPEC countries anything.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

On 12/2/2016 at 7:07 AM, Anomaly said:

Its pointless to elucidate on the economy's need for inexpensive energy sources, the pros and cons of global interdependence balanced with independence for energy resources, the complexities of government control of resource acquisition and allocation, the process the pipeline route went through for original approval including Previous lawsuits and environmental challenges, why Veterans are protesting too,  with people who think the WTC attack was solely in retaliation for affront, it's merely because Indians were/are treated bad, and the Middle East is just ticked Christians don't act Christian enough.  

 

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

Well, I must hand it to you for the feat of cramming such a large amount of ignorance and misinformation in such a small space.

Thank you.  But, you have manage to win the hot air challenge -as usual.

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/pittsburgh-man-reported-franklinville-gas-leak-after-viewing-youtube-video/article_32e630bc-b917-11e6-b905-638ab11952ea.html

 

All that is good for the economy and tapping into resources was all good for the Alaska pipeline.

 

 

[Anomaly]

43 minutes ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

 

Thank you.  But, you have manage to win the hot air challenge -as usual.

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/pittsburgh-man-reported-franklinville-gas-leak-after-viewing-youtube-video/article_32e630bc-b917-11e6-b905-638ab11952ea.html

 

All that is good for the economy and tapping into resources was all good for the Alaska pipeline.

 

 

So what is the point of the video with the gas leak?   If we forgo the oil, we can burn coal for steam engines.  Or burn corn oil. Or rude horses.  There isn't any environmental issues with that. 

Or we can stick with Arabia oil and float it on the ocean to here.  That's never been an issue.  And we would still be friends with everyone in the Middle East and have two big buildings in New York like we had 20 years ago. 

 

[Socrates]

1 hour ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

 

Thank you.  But, you have manage to win the hot air challenge -as usual.

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/pittsburgh-man-reported-franklinville-gas-leak-after-viewing-youtube-video/article_32e630bc-b917-11e6-b905-638ab11952ea.html

 

Of course.  It's much better to keep shipping oil in tankers across the ocean from those poor, innocent victim oil shieks in the Middle East.  'Cause oil spills on the ocean have never caused any environmental damage ever.