Lefebvre has been regularised

[Nihil Obstat]

I do not know much about Hilary White, so I cannot comment.

[truthfinder]

46 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

I do not know much about Hilary White, so I cannot comment.

She was quite a prominent Canadian pro-life reporter (for LifeSiteNews), and she blogs primarily at What is Up With the Synod. I read her when either A.) I want to confirm the sky is indeed falling or B.) what is happening in Norcia (as that's where she lives). As for the former, she's definitely not as radical as Ann Barnhardt (who in recent days has called Francis 'Antipope'). Hilary definitely thinks the pope is a narcissist, and very probably a heretic (I'm not going through all her posts to find out for sure). And while I think at times she is rather extreme in her descriptions and certainly may fuel the 'rigid traddy' image, this is what we get when the members of the hierarchy don't act like the actually believe the Faith.

Anyways - I don't wont to derail too far - Lefebvre - I'm glad you're renouncing sedevacantism. 

Maybe we need a new thread.

[Guest]

So how do you guys support the Remnant and link their articles when both of these ladies contiounsly trash the Pope? And I'm sure they're not the only two. It seems that place is filled with self important smug self righteous pricks. Why should "trads" be seen in a positive light when they support stuff like this? I'm still in disbelief the Pope was called a fa**ot by writers on their website/publication and you have no problem with it.

Edited November 29, 2016 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

11 minutes ago, Josh said:

So how do you guys support the Remnant and link their articles when both of these ladies contiounsly trash the Pope? And I'm sure they're not the only two. It seems that place is filled with self important smug self righteous pricks. Why should "trads" be seen in a positive light when they support stuff like this? I'm still in disbelief the Pope was called a fa**ot by writers on their website/publication and you have no problem with it.

Next time try with less sanctimony.

[Guest]

You have an extensive vocabulary. Impressive. I contiounsly have to google.

Just now, truthfinder said:

this is what we get when the members of the hierarchy don't act like the actually believe the Faith.

 

So who decisides this is the case ? You and Michael Matt? Not even saying I disagree I really don't know all the details to make that call. But I'm just curious how you come to that conclusion and decide your opinion is correct? And then state it as fact to everyone else.

Edited November 29, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

"This website is the home of the Remnant Newspaper and contains information about the publication, as well as articles and commentary. The editors claim that their newspaper upholds and defends the “infallible teachings and immutable traditions of the Catholic Church.” In order to defend these teachings, they cry out against the abuses within the Church’s hierarchy, liturgy, recent council, and clergy, saying, “Catholics cannot leave the Church, nor are they free to lambaste and deny the Pope at will for things like his ‘Altar Girl Permission’ or the ‘Assisi Ecumenical Affair’ or the convening of the Second Vatican Council.”

"However, the Remnant’s articles prove the contrary. Not only have they defended and supported those guilty of schismatic acts such as SSPX founder Archbishop Lefebvre and other SSPX bishops, but they have continually rejected most of the teachings in Vatican II and entirely rejected the Novus Ordo Mass. Thus, though the Remnant does have many articles which defend the teachings of the Church, the value of these is compromised because of the publication's dissidence regarding these noted errors." - CatholicCulture.org

Edited November 29, 2016 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

 Anything we have not all heard a hundred times before?

[truthfinder]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

You have an extensive vocabulary. Impressive. I contiounsly have to google.

So who decisides this is the case ? You and Michael Matt? Not even saying I disagree I really don't know all the details to make that call. But I'm just curious how you come to that conclusion and decide your opinion is correct? And then state it as fact to everyone else.

I don't read the Remnant or the Wanderer outside the very rare article that someone else has linked to - so I can't comment on Michael Matt. What I'm saying (and maybe not clearly enough) is that the sense I get from blogs like Hilary's and others', is that they're very angry (and rightly so) when traditional beliefs and practices are denigrated, mocked and ridiculed by various clergy. This can be seen both 'between the lines' as well as explicitly in some cases. The other side of the spectrum is people who just stop practicing the faith - I have heard several anecdotes (yes, yes I know the plural of anecdote isn't data), of people who just stopped going to church because of the way the transition after Vat II was handled. 

I don't approve or condone the vicious name-calling from either 'side' - but the fact that these sides exist and are both angry shows that the way in which tradition and the faith have been taught and practiced by the clergy is highly problematic. 

[PhuturePriest]

This discussion seems rather inappropriate. Being off-topic is par for the course on Phatmass, but I would have thought something like this would be taken with more focused attention.

I'm glad to hear you're regularized, Lefebvre! Welcome back! I have confidence you won't regret the decision. Just focus on Christ, the Sacraments, and your own relationship with them. It's easy to fall into the smell of elderberries-hole of focusing on faults of priests, bishops, and the laity around you, but I've found ultimately it really doesn't help you or them, and only ends up hurting your spiritual life while not affecting anything negative or positive in concern with the rest. Forget the waves about you and keep your eyes on Christ in front of you.

Edited November 29, 2016 by PhuturePriest

[dUSt]

I agree with Josh.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

It is a good time of year for a witch hunt.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

On 11/28/2016 at 1:59 PM, Nihil Obstat said:

You strongly implied that by saying that Michael Matt and Hilary White would not approve of his renunciation of sedevacantism. Why would they not approve if they are not themselves sedevacantists? Frankly it seems to be bordering on calumny.

Dwelling on the sedevacantist heresy unless  it is an attempt to annihilate the movement seems to be a moot point in regards to the Church, indeed, to all peoples.

 

On 11/28/2016 at 10:29 PM, Josh said:

"This website is the home of the Remnant Newspaper and contains information about the publication, as well as articles and commentary. The editors claim that their newspaper upholds and defends the “infallible teachings and immutable traditions of the Catholic Church.” In order to defend these teachings, they cry out against the abuses within the Church’s hierarchy, liturgy, recent council, and clergy, saying, “Catholics cannot leave the Church, nor are they free to lambaste and deny the Pope at will for things like his ‘Altar Girl Permission’ or the ‘Assisi Ecumenical Affair’ or the convening of the Second Vatican Council.”

"However, the Remnant’s articles prove the contrary. Not only have they defended and supported those guilty of schismatic acts such as SSPX founder Archbishop Lefebvre and other SSPX bishops, but they have continually rejected most of the teachings in Vatican II and entirely rejected the Novus Ordo Mass. Thus, though the Remnant does have many articles which defend the teachings of the Church, the value of these is compromised because of the publication's dissidence regarding these noted errors." - CatholicCulture.org

Thank you.  

[Jack4]

Question : Why do I still see the "phishy" tag for lefebvre?