rant...

[Ice_nine]

Yeah maybe an internet discussion site is not the wisest, but for introverted, anxiety-prone folks like me it's usually the go to. The relative anonymity feels safer, even if it only begets more anxiety and confusion.

I'm sort of embarrassed to still be dealing with this croutons as an adult. And I'm kind of irritated that people seem unwilling to admit that religiosity can help feed these hang-ups around sexuality. Maybe overwhelming guilt and shame around sexual thoughts and feelings aren't really taught by the Church, but that's often the message that comes across.

A spiritual director would be cool, but I don't know how to go about that. I've asked before, and gave up because it didn't seem feasible or possible.

Sorry I've sort of drifted off-topic. Yes masturbation is a grave sin and turns the sexual faculty into mere self-gratification instead of an act of love.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ice_nine said:

A spiritual director would be cool, but I don't know how to go about that. I've asked before, and gave up because it didn't seem feasible or possible.

Sending PM re the above and how to go about finding an SD and what to do if one can't.

 

1 hour ago, Ice_nine said:

Yeah maybe an internet discussion site is not the wisest, but for introverted, anxiety-prone folks like me it's usually the go to. The relative anonymity feels safer, even if it only begets more anxiety and confusion.

  I know where you are coming from.  Sometimes introverted and decidedly always anxiety-prone myself and how safe anonymity can feel in hope.

[Jack4]

15 hours ago, Peace said:

Did you speak to one of the priests at the school about the incident?

No. Only the Principal is actually responsible for the school (the other priests live in the provincial house nearby and come for ceremonies) and he is  very busy. It is difficult to contact him. 

15 hours ago, Peace said:

Where do you see this push? I haven't really noticed it

Drugs and porn are "boys being boys" and euthanasia "saves people from misery"? 

[Jack4]

9 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

Insofar as I am aware, The Church has most always taught that there are three conditions for mortal sin. 

Yes: grave matter, knowledge*, consent.

See RP 17, CCC 1857, CCC 1874, CCCC 395** 

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*or a willful refusal to find out. hence most people who don't believe abortion is wrong, are nonetheless culpable for it. 

** The extra C was intentional; I'm referring to the Compendium of the CCC and don't know its aronym.

8 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

It seems to me to be a failure of catechesis in that some Catholics incorrectly really and truly believe what they do and as the rightful path

You might like Bishop Barron here: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/robert-barron/apologists-catechists-theologians-wake-up

7 hours ago, CatherineM said:

I'm viewed as a liberal Catholic, but follow Church teaching on these issues. 

 

I too am a liberal in that I want liberty, freedom:

363. What is freedom?

1730-1733
1743-1744 

Freedom is the power given by God to act or not to act, to do this or to do that, and so to perform deliberate actions on one's own responsibility. Freedom characterizes properly human acts. The more one does what is good, the freer one becomes. Freedom attains its proper perfection when it is directed toward God, the highest good and our beatitude. Freedom implies also the possibility of choosing between good and evil. The choice of evil is an abuse of freedom and leads to the slavery of sin.

364. What is the relationship between freedom and responsibility?

1734-1737
1745-1746

Freedom makes people responsible for their actions to the extent that they are voluntary, even if the imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or sometimes cancelled by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, inordinate attachments, or habit.

425. What is the relationship between grace and human freedom?

2001-2002

Grace precedes, prepares and elicits our free response. It responds to the deep yearnings of human freedom, calls for its cooperation and leads freedom toward its perfection. 

 

9 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

Perhaps it is my education by Dominican nuns.  St Paul tells us that to break one law, is to break them all.  I tend to think that to disbelieve one aspect of Church Teaching is to call the whole of Church Teaching into question.

439. Why does the Decalogue constitute an organic unity?

2069
2079

The Ten Commandments form an organic and indivisible whole because each commandment refers to the other commandments and to the entire Decalogue. To break one commandment, therefore, is to violate the entire law. 

 

[Jack4]

_and yes, if you deny one teaching, you believe that God can deceive or be deceived (cf. act of faith); thereby throwing away the weight of all revelation.

5 hours ago, Ice_nine said:

...for introverted, anxiety-prone folks like me it's usually the go to. The relative anonymity feels safer...

4 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

Sometimes introverted and decidedly always anxiety-prone myself and how safe anonymity can feel in hope.

I agree

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O Mary, 
Mother of Mercy, 
watch over all people, 
that the Cross of Christ 
may not be emptied of its power, 
that man may not stray 
from the path of the good 
or become blind to sin, 
but may put his hope ever more fully in God 
who is rich in mercy. 
May he carry out the good works prepared 
by God beforehand 
and so live completely 
for the praise of His glory .

Edited November 27, 2016 by Jack4

[Amppax]

On 11/26/2016 at 1:05 PM, Peace said:

Where do you see this push? I haven't really noticed it, but maybe I am not frequenting the correct websites.

It's definitely a trend in post-conciliar moral theology. I can send you some of the relevant literature if you'd like. A lot of it is related to the topics that came up earlier this year (or was it last?) regarding Humanae Vitae. 

[Ice_nine]

6 minutes ago, Amppax said:

It's definitely a trend in post-conciliar moral theology. I can send you some of the relevant literature if you'd like. A lot of it is related to the topics that came up earlier this year (or was it last?) regarding Humanae Vitae. 

I'd be interested in said relevant literature