Who Will Win The Election

[dairygirl4u2c]

it's hard to make a prediction that doesn't just follow the polls. except to say, there room to argue that trump's base is more energized than clinton's, so even though she has majority support, the people might just not show up

[Gabriela]

4 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said:

it's hard to make a prediction that doesn't just follow the polls. except to say, there room to argue that trump's base is more energized than clinton's, so even though she has majority support, the people might just not show up

I see you've been on Phatmass since 2004. Don't you think it's time you converted already?

[Jack4]

On 11/3/2016 at 0:57 AM, dominicansoul said:

 

Hilary doesn't need to work too hard to infiltrate the Catholic Church, it's already infiltrated and poisoned with this liberal mindset....

 

 

I've said this once on phatmass, but I believe it is relevant here: 

During a frustrating argument with a Roman Catholic cardinal, Napoleon Bonaparte supposedly burst out: “Your eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” The cardinal, the anecdote goes, responded ruefully: “Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.” 

[dairygirl4u2c]

17 hours ago, Gabriela said:

I see you've been on Phatmass since 2004. Don't you think it's time you converted already?

i often miss being a catholic. it'd be nice to have a visible church, and more certainty of faith that doctrine provides. and i can't deny, when i die, i want not just any christian minister, but a catholic priest by my side. i probably shouldn't get the eucharist given i'm not a good catholic, but i could at least have a confession and, depending on who you ask, last rites.

[Gabriela]

2 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said:

i often miss being a catholic. it'd be nice to have a visible church, and more certainty of faith that doctrine provides. and i can't deny, when i die, i want not just any christian minister, but a catholic priest by my side. i probably shouldn't get the eucharist given i'm not a good catholic, but i could at least have a confession and, depending on who you ask, last rites.

So you used to be Catholic. I didn't know that. May I ask why you left, and why you remain outside?

[Anomaly]

I am so looking forward to this election being over.  Living in central Florida the political ads in TV and radio are constant, 20 to 40 robo-calls daily, and a half dozen mailed political flyers EVERY. @&$€.DAY!

The Dems have spent millions on ads that anything restricting abortions is anti-woman.  It's really disheartening to see in the polls how effective that strategy has been for them.  If Florida goes Dem, it's all because of abortion has been translated into meaning pro-women.

[Peace]

5 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said:

i often miss being a catholic. it'd be nice to have a visible church, and more certainty of faith that doctrine provides. and i can't deny, when i die, i want not just any christian minister, but a catholic priest by my side. i probably shouldn't get the eucharist given i'm not a good catholic, but i could at least have a confession and, depending on who you ask, last rites.

Take a look at Luke 15:11-32 if you have a chance.

[CountrySteve21]

I think Hillary Clinton will win. For all her faults, she's a legitimate politician. I don't think we can say the same of Trump, can we? 

[Guest]

I have been watching documentaries on some of the past presidential campaigns in the USA.  The only thing I feel comfortable to predict about the coming elections is that the electorate is unpredictable.

 

[Archaeology cat]

On 11/2/2016 at 8:47 PM, Socrates said:

Or perhaps Mickey Mouse!

My 4-year-old is determined that Michelangelo should be president. Maybe he could run with Mickey Mouse. . .

22 hours ago, Anomaly said:

I am so looking forward to this election being over.  Living in central Florida the political ads in TV and radio are constant, 20 to 40 robo-calls daily, and a half dozen mailed political flyers EVERY. @&$€.DAY!

The Dems have spent millions on ads that anything restricting abortions is anti-woman.  It's really disheartening to see in the polls how effective that strategy has been for them.  If Florida goes Dem, it's all because of abortion has been translated into meaning pro-women.

Oh my goodness, yes. Living in FL during election season is incredibly tiresome. 

[Amppax]

23 hours ago, Anomaly said:

I am so looking forward to this election being over.  Living in central Florida the political ads in TV and radio are constant, 20 to 40 robo-calls daily, and a half dozen mailed political flyers EVERY. @&$€.DAY!

The Dems have spent millions on ads that anything restricting abortions is anti-woman.  It's really disheartening to see in the polls how effective that strategy has been for them.  If Florida goes Dem, it's all because of abortion has been translated into meaning pro-women.

Same with Ohio. 

[dairygirl4u2c]

On 11/4/2016 at 10:28 AM, Gabriela said:

So you used to be Catholic. I didn't know that. May I ask why you left, and why you remain outside?

the main reasons are because i dont see enough evidence of infallibility in the early church (plenty of evidence that he should be listened to and is a head, perhaps, but not infallible), and all the reasons the orthodox and sedevacantists argue, and because there are doctrines such as "no salvation outside the church" that at least look contradictory. also little things like why st augustine didn't expand on infallibility when he wrote volumes about church authority etc.  to me it's more of an acrobatic move to say there wasn't a contradiction, but it's possible, i admit. and, the most common argument for infallibility is that it is like an acorn that wouldn't have just sprung up in full form. these are plausible, that's why i'm open to being catholic. they just dont look like the most compelling. while i'd be willing to change my views if i thought the church was right, i also disagree on things like being able to remarry if your spouse leaves you, contraception, euthanasia, just some pet issues i have that i'm sure everyone might have their own if they weren't catholic.  i recently realize that there's more evidence of infallibliity that i realized, but it's still sparse and somewhat inconclusive. id think if the church were true, there'd be more evidence.  just look at that thread i started and always add to about the authority of the ctholic church for examples and more issues i have.

edit: here is a link with most of the issues i have

having issues in editing that post, here is the link

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/130867-catholic-church39s-claims-are-weak-in-early-history-regarding-papa/

anther big issue

" The Roman Pope never presided over any of the councils recognized as ecumenical by Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, however. They recognize seven in total, and at none of those seven did the Roman Bishop even attend, let alone preside. He instead sent legates to act in his place. In all of those councils, Western bishops in general were an extreme minority; sometimes not even present at all. "

Edited November 5, 2016 by dairygirl4u2c
to add a link

[Gabriela]

26 minutes ago, dairygirl4u2c said:

the main reasons are because i dont see enough evidence of infallibility in the early church (plenty of evidence that he should be listened to and is a head, perhaps, but not infallible), and all the reasons the orthodox and sedevacantists argue, and because there are doctrines such as "no salvation outside the church" that at least look contradictory. also little things like why st augustine didn't expand on infallibility when he wrote volumes about church authority etc.  to me it's more of an acrobatic move to say there wasn't a contradiction, but it's possible, i admit. and, the most common argument for infallibility is that it is like an acorn that wouldn't have just sprung up in full form. these are plausible, that's why i'm open to being catholic. they just dont look like the most compelling. while i'd be willing to change my views if i thought the church was right, i also disagree on things like being able to remarry if your spouse leaves you, contraception, euthanasia, just some pet issues i have that i'm sure everyone might have their own if they weren't catholic.  i recently realize that there's more evidence of infallibliity that i realized, but it's still sparse and somewhat inconclusive. id think if the church were true, there'd be more evidence.  just look at that thread i started and always add to about the authority of the ctholic church for examples and more issues i have.

edit: here is a link with most of the issues i have

having issues in editing that post, here is the link

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/130867-catholic-church39s-claims-are-weak-in-early-history-regarding-papa/

anther big issue

" The Roman Pope never presided over any of the councils recognized as ecumenical by Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, however. They recognize seven in total, and at none of those seven did the Roman Bishop even attend, let alone preside. He instead sent legates to act in his place. In all of those councils, Western bishops in general were an extreme minority; sometimes not even present at all. "

Huh. And I thought you were just a troll.  

I can see why you'd take issue with those things. Is it really necessary to agree with the Church on everything, though? Can't one just accept some things out of obedience, or be inside the Church and simply quietly disagree while continuing to pray for the grace to understand and accept the truth? I mean, it seems you're already looking out for reasons to accept what the Church teaches. If you can do that on the outside, you can do it on the inside.

I wonder if any convert has ever joined the Church in 100% agreement with all that She teaches. Hell, most converts don't even know the large majority of what She teaches. I dare say even lifelong cradle Catholics on their deathbed don't know some of it. She's got a lot of teachings, you know... (I know you know!)

I was in your position once, I think, at least insofar as I understand your position, which I'm sure isn't fully. But I wanted very, very badly to believe in Christianity at one point in my life—so much so that I went ahead and got baptized. It wasn't until later that I realized I had doctrinal issues with the Church that were pretty much irreconcilable, and on account of those I left for a while. But I'm still convinced to this day that it was my first step into the Church that ultimately brought me back. That step was ignorant of a lot of things, and confused, but I made it with basically good will. I made it because I desired to believe and to belong, even though I didn't yet agree. You know what I mean?

[Credo in Deum]

Hillary will win but they will make it look like those who opposed her had a chance with Trump.   They still have to keep the facade going that voting still matters, when it doesn't in this country. Our laws and way of life have been determied by corporations. They have been for some time now.

[tinytherese]

Why can't election day be declared a national holiday so that more people can vote?