point5 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Hip-hop from its pure roots is pure good. It was all about positivity and lifting inner city youth off the streets, away from gangs, a way to release their energy in a positive way. Rap or emceeing is one of its four elements. It is not evil and can never be evil. Evil men can try to do it, take away from its true meaning, and p;rofit by butchering it, but you will never be able to call the art form evil. -Kiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladybug Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Jun 22 2004, 05:57 PM'] The Church has always, historically and traditionally, embraced all types of art and music, and used it for the glory of God. This is what phatmass is doing with hip-hop. Hip-hop didn't start out immoral--it was taken over by immoral people. Phatmass is trying to take hip-hop and use it in a way that glorifies God. The same as the Church has always done with all types of art. [/quote] Thankyou for mentioning that hip hop did not start out as immoral. Those who think so are not aware of it's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladybug Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 [quote name='point5' date='Jul 16 2004, 12:54 PM'] Hip-hop from its pure roots is pure good. It was all about positivity and lifting inner city youth off the streets, away from gangs, a way to release their energy in a positive way. Rap or emceeing is one of its four elements. It is not evil and can never be evil. Evil men can try to do it, take away from its true meaning, and p;rofit by butchering it, but you will never be able to call the art form evil. -Kiel [/quote] :cheer: Thankyou for this truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 there appears to be no one left to argue that it's inherently immoral (such a silly idea anyway ) I love PhatMass :wub: producin Catholic Hip Hop outside of the Holy Mass, tis grand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Excerpt From the Book HELLO IT's ME: An Interveiw With GOD The Truth About Music pg 188 INTERVIEWER: Is there any bad music? I mean, are there any particular types of music that are harmful? GOD: No. ALL music is Universal. There is not a sound or voice nor lyric that is offensive. You can choose what you finally listen to, but there is no danger in listening to any types of music. There is no such thing as music BEIng "off key," either through musical articulation or through lyrical content. EveryONE it seems must follow this twelve tone system in your society to create music with different instruments and the possibility of combining words and phrases (human-made words and phrases) to create messages cannot move any individual to what your society would deem “negative” tendencies. It is ALL a matter of choice to the individual. Only you can choose what you want to do and don't want to do, what you choose to listen to and what not to listen to. INTERVIEWER: I love all kinds of music and respect its forms. Why don't other people share this viewpoint? GOD: If people choose not to listen, it is because they do not want to. If a person does not hold any prejudices about life, he or she likely will accept ALL forms of music because the two attitudes are closely related. Yet, YOU might want to examine YOUR personal preferences or differences to certain types of music to further YOUR own spiritual growth. EveryONE likes music, but for some reason, they have a preference for who or what is making it. They cling incessantly to beliefs that their music is superior to others. There is no such thing. ALL music is equal. Music should BE handled like LOVE. Appreciation, consideration, respect, and devotion ALL go into making decisions about who you choose to LOVE and what feelings are portrayed through music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Where did you get those quotes from Walsch? I dont understand why a Christian site would celebrate HipHop. Ive worked in the inner city ghetto and know what Hip Hop is really about. On TV HipHop is connected to artists who celebrate every evil thing from promisucity to calling women Bs....and hos... I think it is very worldly and acceptance of a culture that has actually brought more negative things to the African-American community. Does this mean you all think nothing is wrong with ACID ROCK and PSYCHEDELIC ROCK or DEATH ROCK or GOTH? Its a serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 It depends on your definitions of all of those things. It seems to me that the common impression is that drugs, sex, and a culture of violence are all [i]intrinsic[/i] to these types of music, however, such an assertion would be ridiculous. Certainly psychedelic rock has historically been heavily influenced by drugs like many other types of rock, say for example, the Grateful Dead. However, to claim that such drugs are intrinsic to the music is a fallicy, as witnessed by the Dead themselves, who now have AA meetings coincident with their shows, and are a large anti-drug band. Again, I would love for someone to reply to my post, which is above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Budge writes: Where did you get those quotes from Walsch? No, Cardero? Budge writes: Does this mean you all think nothing is wrong with ACID ROCK and PSYCHEDELIC ROCK or DEATH ROCK or GOTH? Its a serious question. I do not think it is wrong or right. I think if all those types of music bring enjoyment to some people and if they prefer to listen to it that is their choice. If you do not enjoy those types of music and if you do not prefer to listen to them then do not listen to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Budge, you're looking at it from an american view of the black population, which is evident in the use of the term "African-American Community" yeah, hip hop has been used to tear down the African-American community but not the African-French community where it has always been a political and social voice for the African community there Hip Hop is morally neutral, it can be used for good or for evil. The US black community tends to use it for evil. The French black community has always tended to use it for good. PhatMass uses it for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Look at Hip Hop in Canada, it's much more political and less mainstream than US style, although the US is beginning to have a lot more influence simply by virtue of marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I always forget how more liberal the Catholic Church is. Rock music is not accepted in my church and there many things that are wrong linked to it. The Bible calls Christians to be a PECULIAR people, that means UNWORLDLY. This music is beyond wordly. I am an ex Goth, and gave up music after being saved. The drugs, sex and culture of violence are INHERENT parts of this music. Do you think Coolio, Enimen, Puff Daddy, Nelly would have been famous for singing about flowers and birds? I dont think so. I do not accept the Grateful Dead as music that is not linked to drugs. Maybe they are clean now but common the idea of pscyhedelic music from the get go was music to get High to and drop acid to. [quote]Budge writes: Where did you get those quotes from Walsch? No, Cardero?[/quote] Wow he sounds just like Walsch of the "Interview with God" series. [quote]Budge writes: Does this mean you all think nothing is wrong with ACID ROCK and PSYCHEDELIC ROCK or DEATH ROCK or GOTH? Its a serious question. I do not think it is wrong or right. I think if all those types of music bring enjoyment to some people and if they prefer to listen to it that is their choice. If you do not enjoy those types of music and if you do not prefer to listen to them then do not listen to them.[/quote] I do disagree with you. Hey people are going to do what they are going to do. Its not my job to be music police, but I dont see the acceptance of music with very anti-Christian agendas as tolerable for me. I gave up listening to goth music which inherently like the drug music of psychedelia, has the darkness implicit within in after being saved. Course Im too old now for such music anyway but I KNOW that music is a BAD and dark spiritual influence and I beleive the same of these other kinds. I lived in the ghetto. What do you think is given to kids brought up with loud booming bass in their ears night and day. They arent sitting around reading the Bible. Drinking Drugs and the Thug life is promoted. I think it is very wordly for this site to promote rap music. Perhaps there are lighter less offenseive forms like French but I am judging these things from American culture, Ill admit that. Hip-Hop has a lot of bad things connected to it. Watch some rap videos on MTV sometime. Chase the kids out of the room. I watched one day to see what the world was up to and was disgusted within 2 seconds. Now they sing about sex acts and getting drunk and booty in the bar straight out. Makes 80s stuff look clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 yo, sounds like it's GETTING FAMOUS that's connected to sex and drugs, not the type of music. read this quote from yourself and you'll see that's the point you made [quote]The drugs, sex and culture of violence are INHERENT parts of this music. Do you think Coolio, Enimen, Puff Daddy, Nelly would have been famous for singing about flowers and birds? I dont think so. [/quote] worldliness brings fame. that is why PhatMass Hip Hop isn't mainstream or famous, we're not worldly. we just use a style of music for good instead of evil. the style of music is not inherently connected to drugs sex and violence. it has never been connected to that stuff in French Africa, it's an AMERICAN GHETTO thing that has connected it with evil for so long. FYI: carrdero does not rep the Church if you didn't see the red tag. American mainstream secular rap is evil. PhatMass rap is good. the style of music is morally neutral, it can be used for good or evil. the majority of rap music is used for evil, yes. but rap need not be used for evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Hey Ive studied Rap probably more then peope here. Ive lived in the ghetto and worked with primarily ghetto youth of African American descent. Rap is derived from beat-boxing and street talking in the STREETS OF AMERICA. It started by playing DIRTY DOZENS where young black youths would do verbal contests to see who could one up the other.. Youre Momma so ____ is one aspect of this. It did not come out of Africa...I actually find that kind of funny...though Africans may have adopted some of it through our international media. I know the differencec between old school rap and new school. The history of Hip-Hop is not one of clean Christian living. It was music that came out of racism and rage of ghetto life. So if only style counts, does that mean I can start A GOTH fundamentalist Christian band? Sheesh see how absurd this all gets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Whyd you all pick rap over gospel music. Oh I love gospel music... Sheesh so much better!! Guess the board may not have been as TRENDY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 oh boy what an amazing conclusion you've come to... the bad history of rap music in America doesn't make it inherently bad. proove to me that it was the music that made those people bad and not the people that made that music bad i really don't know anything about Goth music... srry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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