dUSt Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Yes, PSPV has been suspended for two weeks as well for an incident not relating to one of his public posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conservativecatholic Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Is anyone here interested in Gregorian Chant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 As a young person, I say the writer of that article is a party-pooper! I think the lyrics of most rap songs are disgusting and immoral. Aside from the lyrics, I'd say, more often than not, rap music can be very basic and repetitive. But immoral? Without the lyrics, how can it be immoral? I'm more upset about this attack on rock! I love rock! Again, aside from lyrics, I can't see how it's immoral. I like to rock on my guitar, and I consider myself very moral. You can attack the people who make the music, and you can attack the words in the music, but the music itself? Good grief... -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 (edited) I will pretend that I did not read the preceding post. Now, Jeff, I would love to attempt to propose a counter argument for the strong posts which you have presented so far, but they are very extensive, and I am quite busy. I will do my best to make time tonight to begin work on my reply. I will do my best to reply quickly. Also, in the event that someone does not know this, my name is Adam. Please refer to me as Adam (or Mr. Markich, which I really prefer). I prefer these names rather than "amarkich". Thank you. God bless. Edited July 8, 2004 by amarkich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 (edited) Sounds good. Mr. Markich, feel free to take your time. I would rather wait a little longer for a good response than hurry along a poor one. I'm glad we'll be getting back on topic. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Edited July 8, 2004 by JeffCR07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Hey Phatcatholic I read part of that article and on rock and other modern music. I agree insofar that many times it arouses unnessary emotions however as long as it is not relied upon for support it is not inherently immoral. My brother just finished an awesome rap that deals without involving any of these so common themes of perversion. I think it is oversimplifying the matter to say it is absolutely wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I think this is a rather nuanced argument. (If that makes sense?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 It most certainly does makes sense: there are a myriad of nuances to the discussion. However, I do think the argument can be made edifying if we discuss a.) what constitutes (read: "is used to make up") particular styles of music b.) the method and style in which those parts are put together within the music c.) the instrinsic (non-accidental) nature of those methods and styles d.) the sum or net result of all methods and styles in a type of music with regards to its cumulative intrinsic worth. Example: Gregorian Chant a.) Gregorian Chant is made up of an individual or group rhythmically singing and intoning prayers in a "chant" form, (ie, it is made up entirely of vocals, broken into the musical (intonation) aspect and the lyrics) b.) We all know Gregorian Chant when we hear it: deep, rhythmic intonations, typically having tight harmony between all singers. The lyrics are intrinsically moral - they are prayers. The music is intrinsically moral because 1.) the voice is always an acceptable mode of praising God, as tradition (both Western and Eastern) tells us and 2.) tight harmonies and vocal melodies impart a sense of unity, which is fundamentally and intrinsically moral, especially to Catholics. c.) We will disregard "accidental" matters, such as a guy who just can't sing for the life of him, because (I would hope) we all would agree that the guy standing next to you at church who sings all the hyms off key in not doing something intrinsically immoral or bad. Thus, we will consider the idealized conditions of Gregorian Chant, and whether or not they are spiritually beneficial and moral: The lyrics are about as moral as you can get, and the music (vocals) lead to a positive result on the basis that the rythmic intonations help bring a sense of tranquility and peace, as well as unity when it is done by a group. d.) All facets of an idyllic Gregorian Chant are good, beneficial, and moral, and, as a result, Gregorian Chant itself, as a musical form, is not intrinsically disordered or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jul 12 2004, 10:18 AM'] It most certainly does makes sense: there are a myriad of nuances to the discussion. However, I do think the argument can be made edifying if we discuss a.) what constitutes (read: "is used to make up") particular styles of music b.) the method and style in which those parts are put together within the music c.) the instrinsic (non-accidental) nature of those methods and styles d.) the sum or net result of all methods and styles in a type of music with regards to its cumulative intrinsic worth. [/quote] I agree. But those arguing against you are gone for a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I know that many are, but I am pretty sure that Mr. Markich is still around (unless something has happened) and he is usually prone to addressing arguments in an intellectual manner, for which I am very grateful to him. He has already made it clear that he is very pressed for time, so I am perfectly willing to wait - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I can hardly contain myself. Mr. Amarkich, if you still exist, please reply. Must we wait till PSPX and PSPV return???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 In addition to being pressed for time, Mr. Markich is likewise no longer in Phatmass existence, as he is suspended at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pionono Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 For what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 hmmm, well, if they are all suspended, does this mean the conversation is dead, or would anyone like to try to address my points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I agree with dust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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