Simcha Fisher

[Maggyie]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

I think people need to stop whining. This is how God made us and has the world. We have strong sex drives and sexual thoughts constanly. Catholics and Christians should strive for purity but I think C.S. Lewis was right when he said sexual sins are the least worse. Jokes are even further down the totem pole. Not saying we shouldn't strive for purity. Defitenly should. Unrepented mortal sexual sins definitely will land you in hell. And if you fall into sexual sin go to Confession ASAP. Hate in your heart for other people and races though is way worse. Good job you go to Mass every week and haven't masturbated or watched porn in 3 months but you don't like black people and you call them the n word. Don't be an ignoramus and think God is pleased. Jesus wasn't a smug prick with the woman caught in adultery when they were foaming at the mouth to stone her to death. I'm guessing he would be even more easy going on a faithful married Catholic mother of 10 who told a stupid sex joke about Donald Trump. Love me some mercy.

I assume you mean the general "you"!?? I've never used the n word in my life. 

[Papist]

Who's Simcha Fisher?

[Anomaly]

Lol.  I probably cuss more in a casual conversation than any three of you combined.   I'm also not worried about spending eternity in hell for crude sexual innuendo, and am pretty adept at them.  

However, I do know my audience and appreciate and respect certain social standards. I temper my speech in front of my my mom, children, and people I don't know who may have a different standard of polite speech than I.   Heck, even Phatmass has a standard and fiddlers which an act if intentionally violation will get you suspended.  

Simcha is an idiot ( or worse) if she thought there wouldn't be blow back for how she said certain things.   Sorry that stupidity smacked her in the head harder than her parents did raising her.  Apparently, Natural Consequences is as big a b:+(h as Mother Nature. You may be counting on Jesus' forgiveness, but don't count in the general public's.  

[hotpink]

14 hours ago, Josh said:

Pretty much this. If it wasn't for Facebook I would have no idea who she is. As I said yesterday I think she's great and I enjoy her pictures and post about her family and all their children. I don't know how her and her husband do it. There family is defitenly in my prayers. Being a great writer I'm sure she will find work soon.

Lol Yeah pretty much

Jesus said love makes up for a multitude of sins. She's a pretty living mom I'm guessing the blood of Christ has her covered. Had for for her behavior being the "behavior of an elegant woman" I choose to give her the benefit of the doubt. You can judge otherwise but to the extent you judge you will be judged. That one always gets me. Ouch.

   

Well, Josh, as someone who hopes to have children, and as someone who has encouraged parents of teens interested in the church to read blogs of good Catholics I think that there can be some real judgement going on here.  I would be appalled if my nephew read the vitriol that she posted.  We are mostly adults here, so we act like responsible adults and don't post things that might not be appropriate for teens, especially young teens.  Also there's the whole "be careful little eyes"  As adults, the more crudeness we expose ourselves to, the more we are likely to be vulgar ourselves.

We don't judge her soul, we judge her actions.

Also, you seem to be falling into the trap of emotional sensationalism.  Just because she has 10 kids doesn't make her anymore sanctified or special than the next person.  It doesn't mean that she should be given a pass when behaving badly at a job.

I think the only disagreement here is what the consequence should been for her words.  Some feel that what she said is 100% acceptable and there should be no consequence.  Some feel that what she said is unacceptable, but she should be given a warning.  Some feel that it is unacceptable and she should be removed from her ability to speak at a Catholic podium.  Some feel it's unacceptable and she's a danger.

I think the first is not going far enough--what she said is not right, even if she was a 20yo male shock-jock Catholic.  It's not ok for anyone to make gutter jokes in public.  We should be appalled by it.  One of the reasons I don't watch TV anymore (just select youtubers) is because it does make me think and say more harsh and dirty things.  Catholicism doesn't call us to be perfect, or not judge ever, or never have fun, but it does call us to be mindful of situations we put ourselves in.

[Amppax]

On 8/24/2016 at 9:53 PM, Socrates said:

I think this refers to one of things that was discussed in this thread:  http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/142259-pro-life-catholics-deserve-better/

You can read the article discussed here: 

https://stream.org/pro-life-catholics-deserve-better-writers-national-catholic-register/

From my reading, the problems with Fisher (and Shea) go far beyond just one raunchy joke about a Trump logo.  Simcha and Shea's consistent vile hatefulness towards all pro-life and conservative Catholics that do not agree with their own asinine left-wing politics is disgusting - and most un-Christ-like.  (They also advocate that Catholics support Hillary Clinton.)

If I were the Register editor,I would have fired both of them a long time ago.

We should all pray for Mr. Shea.  Sadly, it appears he has allowed himself to become a pawn of very unholy forces.  And I say that in all seriousness.

Pots and kettles, pots and kettles.

[Not A Real Name]

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Maggyie said:

I assume you mean the general "you"!?? I've never used the n word in my life. 

Obviously 

Just now, Anomaly said:

Lol.  I probably cuss more in a casual conversation than any three of you combined.   

Doubt it the f word is one of my favorite words.

[Guest]

Just now, hotpink said:

Catholicism doesn't call us to be perfect, or not judge ever, or never have fun, but it does call us to be mindful of situations we put ourselves in.

Again you're an expert on Catholicism and what it calls for and entails ect ect ect but you're not Catholic?!?!?! Why?!?!?! Because some vague Baptism dispute you won't elaborate on with your family? Hmmmm. I don't think you're in any place of authority or position to lecture anyone on being Catholic when you yourself aren't even one. What could possibly be stopping you from being one YESTERDAY if you truly know it's the complete truth and essential for your soul in order to reach Heaven? There should be zero reasons for your prolonged delay. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin in this life (which you're in danger of if you know being Catholic is essential for your salvation yet you don't do it) and the next. Not a Donald Trump sex joke. Still praying for your conversion. 

 

Edited August 26, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

Just now, hotpink said:

Also, you seem to be falling into the trap of emotional sensationalism.  Just because she has 10 kids doesn't make her anymore sanctified or special than the next person.  

 

Really?  So she's not better off or on a holier path than the Catholic or Christian married couple of 15 years who use contraception and only have 2 kids?

Edited August 26, 2016 by Guest

[hotpink]

44 minutes ago, Josh said:

Again you're an expert on Catholicism and what it calls for and entails ect ect ect but you're not Catholic?!?!?! Why?!?!?! Because some vague Baptism dispute you won't elaborate on with your family? Hmmmm. I don't think you're in any place of authority or position to lecture anyone on being Catholic when you yourself aren't even one. What could possibly be stopping you from being one YESTERDAY if you truly know it's the complete truth and essential for your soul in order to reach Heaven? There should be zero reasons for your prolonged delay. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin in this life (which you're in danger of if you know being Catholic is essential for your salvation yet you don't do it) and the next. Not a Donald Trump sex joke. Still praying for your conversion. 

 

Seriously, chill bro.  There are athiests who are experts on Catholicism.  They may not practictice it, nor ever been a part of it, but they know it.

And if you knew Catholicism, you'd know there's also 2 other forms of Baptism other than Baptism by water, which are Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.  All else failing, my participation in RCIA and bible studies, my participation in weekly Mass is in action.

Besides that, I have been baptized by water as an infant.  I do not have any records, the church closed, records were in a fire and the pastor has long since died.  I cannot sign the afadavid for myself because I don't know any details.  I have a family member who does, but this person refuses to because it would make a person they hate happy.  A priest has guided me to use my conscience as I cannot get a conditional Baptism, I know I was Baptized in a trinitine formula.  However, this particular church did some questionable things the decade before they were closed (long, long after my baptism) which gives a reasonable doubt I had a valid Baptism.  Except, mine was.  But I can't prove it.

Essentially you are saying that I have no validity to ANY opinion I have because I'm not "catholic enough" in your eyes, despite what priests and even bishops have told me.  However, anything that Simcha does, by merit of having 10 kids, is fine.  OOOOOOKKKKKK

And I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, I am perfect.  Nor have I ever said that I hate Simcha or thought she was a bad person.  I do think that she has done something pretty stupid, and I do think that it is well within the interest of a Catholic site to not accept her work anymore.  She does not deserverve cruelty, but just the natural consequences for being vulgar.

Edited August 26, 2016 by hotpink

[Guest]

Just now, hotpink said:

Seriously, chill bro.  There are athiests who are experts on Catholicism.  They may not practictice it, nor ever been a part of it, but they know it.

And if you knew Catholicism, you'd know there's also 2 other forms of Baptism other than Baptism by water, which are Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.  All else failing, my participation in RCIA and bible studies, my participation in weekly Mass is in action.

Besides that, I have been baptized by water as an infant.  I do not have any records, the church closed, records were in a fire and the pastor has long since died.  I cannot sign the afadavid for myself because I don't know any details.  I have a family member who does, but this person refuses to because it would make a person they hate happy.  A priest has guided me to use my conscience as I cannot get a conditional Baptism, I know I was Baptized in a trinitine formula.  However, this particular church did some questionable things the decade before they were closed (long, long after my baptism) which gives a reasonable doubt I had a valid Baptism.  Except, mine was.  But I can't prove it.

Essentially you are saying that I have no validity to ANY opinion I have because I'm not "catholic enough" in your eyes, despite what priests and even bishops have told me.  However, anything that Simcha does, by merit of having 10 kids, is fine.  OOOOOOKKKKKK

 

From those details you sound Catholic as hell. Why wouldn't you be considered one?

[hotpink]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

From those details you sound Catholic as hell. Why wouldn't you be considered one?

So the long short of it is

-A- you're catholic if you are baptized at birth.  The Catholic Church records this at the parish and diocean level.  And requires not only God Parents but 2 additional witnesses.

-B-When you enter RCIA you can recieve Communion and Confirmation if you were baptized in a trinitine formula anywhere.  You get the pastor of the church or a witness to verify or use a chuch record, sign on the dotted line done deal.  Affidavid complete

-C-You enter RCIA but the records are incomplete, you do not know if it's Trinine formula.  So you get a conditional Baptism.

 

I'm stuck in limb between B and C.  I know for a fact that I did have a valid baptism but I was an infant so I cannot confirm it's the truth.  On the other hand, I have a witness who tells me it is so.  I am not elgible for a conditional Baptism, either, as that is for people who know they were Baptized but are not sure of the formula.  

The Bishop told me that I should be strong, and hopefully my desire will help these people to come to some peace.  I do not feel comfortable getting a conditional Baptism, nor will I ever.

[truthfinder]

1 hour ago, hotpink said:

So the long short of it is

-A- you're catholic if you are baptized at birth.  The Catholic Church records this at the parish and diocean level.  And requires not only God Parents but 2 additional witnesses.

-B-When you enter RCIA you can recieve Communion and Confirmation if you were baptized in a trinitine formula anywhere.  You get the pastor of the church or a witness to verify or use a chuch record, sign on the dotted line done deal.  Affidavid complete

-C-You enter RCIA but the records are incomplete, you do not know if it's Trinine formula.  So you get a conditional Baptism.

 

I'm stuck in limb between B and C.  I know for a fact that I did have a valid baptism but I was an infant so I cannot confirm it's the truth.  On the other hand, I have a witness who tells me it is so.  I am not elgible for a conditional Baptism, either, as that is for people who know they were Baptized but are not sure of the formula.  

The Bishop told me that I should be strong, and hopefully my desire will help these people to come to some peace.  I do not feel comfortable getting a conditional Baptism, nor will I ever.

Sorry for the circumstances that you've found yourself in.  Most places will accept the sworn testimony of a witness. And depending on the place, some dioceses will basically say that as long as it was in a 'normal' protestant church or others with known Trinitarian formulas , you're good. I hope you find peace and some resolution to your situation. 

[hotpink]

Just now, truthfinder said:

Sorry for the circumstances that you've found yourself in.  Most places will accept the sworn testimony of a witness. And depending on the place, some dioceses will basically say that as long as it was in a 'normal' protestant church or others with known Trinitarian formulas , you're good. I hope you find peace and some resolution to your situation. 

It's the witness part that's the problem.  I was 4 months old so I can't act as my own witness.  Family member who was allowed to baptize me and the minister were the only ones there.  My parents didn't attend as they are the "you'll find your own way" sort.  The relative who got permission did it quickly and to whomever would say yes.  So that person is my only witness.  Cause the minister is dead.  That minister died and the next minister at the church took it way off the deep end, so even though I was not baptized under that person the church got a really bad name.  Then it burned down.  Minister 2 may or may not have been involved.  It's messy.

So said relative believes they "won" and dosn't want me to be Catholic because that would mean other realitive who they hate and I've never met "won" me.  I have loads of relatives of all different religions who all seem to be in some sort of giant contest between me and my sibilings since my parents don't believe in raising a kid in any particular religion.

[Guest]

Just now, hotpink said:

It's the witness part that's the problem.  I was 4 months old so I can't act as my own witness.  Family member who was allowed to baptize me and the minister were the only ones there.  My parents didn't attend as they are the "you'll find your own way" sort.  The relative who got permission did it quickly and to whomever would say yes.  So that person is my only witness.  Cause the minister is dead.  That minister died and the next minister at the church took it way off the deep end, so even though I was not baptized under that person the church got a really bad name.  Then it burned down.  Minister 2 may or may not have been involved.  It's messy.

So said relative believes they "won" and dosn't want me to be Catholic because that would mean other realitive who they hate and I've never met "won" me.  I have loads of relatives of all different religions who all seem to be in some sort of giant contest between me and my sibilings since my parents don't believe in raising a kid in any particular religion.

I'm still confused. So the Catholic Church doesn't consider you Catholic?