Our Lady of Nations

[<3 PopeFrancis]

This is a necessary message - for NOW.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acu4Z_Ux-QU

 

...and approved by the local bishop.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

Our Lady wants Holy Mother Church to allow her the authority to be the Mother of Nations, especially at this critical election time.  Like the wedding at Cana, She wants to expedite Jesus' coming.  She wants her holy servants to "Do whatever He tells you."  

It is time to crush the serpent's head before souls have no salvation.

 

[Quasar]

It seems like she doesn't have particular instructions for us in this apparition.  Totally cool, of course, but it's easier to respond to Fatima.  

What are people doing in response to this apparition?

[<3 PopeFrancis]

This is what I understand.  Her instructions are to pray, even giving the prayer to us (will post right below), for Holy Church to proclaim in Dogma, that she be granted to the Church under the title Mother of All Peoples so she can have authority to help all of humanity.  

 

Mother of All Peoples prayer:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
Send now your Spirit over the Earth.
Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of
all nations, that they may be preserved
from degeneration, disaster, and war.

May the Lady of All Nations, who once
was Mary, be our Advocate.

Amen.

[truthfinder]

48 minutes ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

This is what I understand.  Her instructions are to pray, even giving the prayer to us (will post right below), for Holy Church to proclaim in Dogma, that she be granted to the Church under the title Mother of All Peoples so she can have authority to help all of humanity.  

 

Mother of All Peoples prayer:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
Send now your Spirit over the Earth.
Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of
all nations, that they may be preserved
from degeneration, disaster, and war.

May the Lady of All Nations, who once
was Mary, be our Advocate.

Amen.

I'm not sure why she wouldn't have authority to help all peoples and the last line of the prayer , 'who once was Mary' comes across as really odd. She is Mary, she was Mary, and she will continue to be Mary. She is Queen of Heaven and Earth.

Edited August 25, 2016 by truthfinder

[NadaTeTurbe]

This is a controversial apparition, and this prayer is also controversial. I will come back later about it, I need to find the book that I have who speak about it. 

[Quasar]

2 hours ago, truthfinder said:

the last line of the prayer , 'who once was Mary' comes across as really odd. She is Mary, she was Mary, and she will continue to be Mary. She is Queen of Heaven and Earth.

I agree.   I noticed in one of the links, the local authority asked that the prayer be changed to remove that clause, out of consideration for those who do not understand it.  Apparently the clause is a reference to Mary now being the universal mother, as opposed to the human mother of Jesus.  But, to me, the name Mary encapsulates all of that.  She is still Mary to me.

[NadaTeTurbe]

Okay, so I can't find this book, but Miracle Hunter (a very good source on marian apparitions) say that : 

Notes: Negative judgement was given by the bishop of Haarlem on May 7, 1956, confirmed in 1957 and 1972. Worship authorized by Mgr H. Bomers, bishop of Haarlem, on May 31, 1996.

While worship was authorized, I, personally, don't trust apparition who aren't 100% safe. There are so many apparition totally aproved that we don't know ! 

[Quasar]

14 minutes ago, NadaTeTurbe said:

While worship was authorized, I, personally, don't trust apparition who aren't 100% safe. There are so many apparition totally aproved that we don't know ! 

When does an apparition become totally approved? Not a rhetorical question.  I would like to know.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Quasar

[NadaTeTurbe]

Just now, Quasar said:

When does an apparition become totally approved? Not a rhetorical question.  I would like to know.

It's complicated, and a canonist would be better suited to answer than me. Shortly : 

Pope Benedict XIV gave four steps in examining an apparition : 
- Investigate the visionnarie's character
-the content of the apparition 
-the nature or the form of the apparition 
-the purpose of the apparition (is it a new devotion, dogma, etc...)

Right now, the canonical commission gave several criterions (?) : 

HISTORICAL : what happened, where, when, with who (witness), consistency (does the visionnary always say the same thing ?), consistency if there's several visionnaries 
PSYCHOLOGICAL JUDGEMENT ON THE VISIONNARY CHARACTER : they use doctor and therapist. to eliminate liars, they look for visionnaries that are humble, obedient to their superiors, poors even after the appairtion. To eleminate people who are weak and think they saw the virgins, they eliminate people who are impressionable, sensitive. 
THEOLOGICAL JUDGEMENT ON THE MESSAGE : Are the cause of the apparitions divine or diabolical ? Is the message consistent with catholic teaching and theology ? 

Remember that each authentic marian apparition bring back to the Gospel and Jesus Christ. 

Other thing that the commission formed by the bishop, and then maybe the Vatican, will look for : 
- Sensum Ecclesia : if the bishop doesn't believe the visionnary, then he must obey and always respect the Church. A BIG negative thing is if the visionnary seek the support of marginal groups in the church. 

However, let's be clear, the spiritual fruit of an apparition (conversion, people going back to the faith), is not a determining factor (it's an argument often used by Medjugorge supporters). 

There are various level of approbation : 
Apparitions that are approved by the bishop : such as Robinsonville (in the US), Akita, etc... 
Apparitions that are approved by the Vatican : only Guadalupe, one in Poland (can't remember the name), Siluva, Laus, Lourdes, Rue du Bac, Rome to Alphonse Ratisbonne, La Salette, another in eastern europe, Pontmain, another in Poland, Fatima, Beauraing, Banneux, Knock, and the last one, Kibeho. 
This recognition is called in french "Constat de supernaturalité", and I have now idea how to translate it in France.
And sometimes, the bishop doesn't say anything about the truth of the apparition, but allows the image to be worshipped, wich is the case of a lot of "regional" apparitions, like L'île Bouchard. It is said to be "approved for faith expression"

I hope I was clear ! 

[<3 PopeFrancis]

Yes.  In a nutshell, your Bishop approves.  Fr. Ripperger says After studying the steps taken in declaring your local Bishop approves and it is safe to discuss.

On 8/25/2016 at 2:47 PM, Quasar said:

I agree.   I noticed in one of the links, the local authority asked that the prayer be changed to remove that clause, out of consideration for those who do not understand it.  Apparently the clause is a reference to Mary now being the universal mother, as opposed to the human mother of Jesus.  But, to me, the name Mary encapsulates all of that.  She is still Mary to me.

This was odd to me also; however, this is the reason why She wants this prayer.  She is asking to come into The Church in a tangible form.

I think the followers of The Church are praying for time; but, Our Lady is saying, to me, "This is best right now, because I love you."  

It is important that The Magesterium is followed.  If I misunderstand The Magisterium I make sure I understand it to the letter.  

I believe Our Lady said Our Lady of All Peoples I think it makes a difference.  

On 8/24/2016 at 10:13 PM, Quasar said:

It seems like she doesn't have particular instructions for us in this apparition.  Totally cool, of course, but it's easier to respond to Fatima.  

What are people doing in response to this apparition?

Most of all praying for Her intentions.  

12 minutes ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

t is important that The Magesterium is followed.  If I misunderstand The Magisterium I make sure I understand it to the letter.  

 ...  If I misunderstand The Magisterium I make sure I follow it to the letter.

[truthfinder]

I couldn't really remember why this disturbed me so much, but in looking for (another) heretical religious community, I came across one that I had learned about in 2007.  For a tidbit into it, see this article http://www.arkansas-catholic.org/news/article/1010/What-is-the-Army-of-Mary-What-do-they-believe

The Community of our Lady of All Peoples also known as the Army of Mary are a Quebec based group that had a visionary as their foundress.  Seemingly inspired by the approved Our Lady of All Nations visions, she took it up.  The All Peoples visions and schismatic community are condemned, suppressed, and excommunicated (see the official letter from the Vatican here - it's in French, if you want a translation, let me know http://www.cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/decl_excomm_franc.pdf ) . The line "who once was Mary" has apparently been removed from the approved original prayer (the false visionary claimed she was a re-incarnation of Mary and that Mary herself was part of the Trinity - which thus made the visionary part of the Trinity too). 

[<3 PopeFrancis]

On 8/25/2016 at 0:33 PM, truthfinder said:

On 8/25/2016 at 11:45 AM, <3 PopeFrancis said:

Mother of All Peoples prayer:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father,
Send now your Spirit over the Earth.
Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of
all nations, that they may be preserved
from degeneration, disaster, and war.

May the Lady of All Nations, who once
was Mary, be our Advocate.

Amen.

I'm not sure why she wouldn't have authority to help all peoples and the last line of the prayer , 'who once was Mary' comes across as really odd. She is Mary, she was Mary, and she will continue to be Mary. She is Queen of Heaven and Earth.

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May the Lady of All Nations, who once
was Mary, be our Advocate.
 

These messages are prophetic and consistent with Marian Movement of Priests watching the prophecy of Our Lady of All Peoples unfold.

Eve was once Mary , being the New Eve and Jesus the New Adam before the fall of Adam and Eve, be our Advocate.  Amen.

[Nihil Obstat]

I did not say that.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

There is a problem posting added to the fact that I'm not fluent in phorum format.

Excuse me, please.