Catholic Vegetarians/Vegans

[little2add]

 

 

14 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

Americans are such fat pigs 

 being a little harsh, aren't we

[Gabriela]

7 minutes ago, little2add said:

 

 

 being a little harsh, aren't we

I meant it to be hyperbolic, not harsh. But I can see what you mean. No offense intended, pham. 

[Not A Real Name]

1 hour ago, Gabriela said:

I think it is criminal, because so many people adopt diets without really understanding human nutrition, especially child nutrition.

That being said, I'm not sure I'm for more government intervention in family life...

In any case, the best diets are the traditional ethnic diets, because they're based on local, seasonal food and have been developed over centuries to be just what the people need to thrive. The people adapt to the diet and the diet adapts to the people. The reason Americans are such fat pigs is because we don't have a traditional ethnic diet, because we're a bunch of mongrels who developed industrialized food almost immediately after landing here.  

Americans are fat pigs because the standard American diet is higher in processed foods and carbohydrates.  This leads to greater insulin resistance, especially when these geniuses are telling people to eat more frequently throughout the day, spiking insulin which stops fat burning, and when they introduce high carb amounts into their diet along with high fat.  Meat is not bad for us and neither are healthy fats like butter, cheese, avocados, coconut oils, etc.. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying carbs are evil. What I am saying is that the majority of Americans probably have issues with insulin resistance, so increasing insulin sensitivity through a low carb, adequate protein, and moderate fat diet along with intermittent fasting will help increase insulin sensitivity which will not only increase their health through weight loss but will also reverse their diabetes for type 2's. 

The problem is we're so stuck in this outdated nutritional cycle that says deitary carbohydrates are essential when they're not.  The body is able to run off of ketone bodies and the parts of the brain which specifically need glucose to function can get this from glucose the body produces naturally on its own through gluconeogensis.  The answer to a lot of health problems both for weight, cancer, and other neurological issues are found in a properly formulated ketogenic diet which is done off of whole foods.  I made the switch from vegan to paleo to now ketogenic paleo and I've lost 135lbs in 8 months and have retained my lean body mass unlike with my vegan diet where I lost weight but it was lean body mass as well as fat since I wasn't getting adequate protein. Other things this diet has helped with are depression, anxiety, I no longer feel starved, and I have plenty of energy since my body is finally burning my stored body fat for fuel. 

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/why-hungry/

Edited August 15, 2016 by Not A Real Name

[Gabriela]

30 minutes ago, Not A Real Name said:

Americans are fat pigs because the standard American diet is higher in processed foods and carbohydrates.  This leads to greater insulin resistance, especially when these geniuses are telling people to eat more frequently throughout the day, spiking insulin which stops fat burning, and when they introduce high carb amounts into their diet along with high fat.  Meat is not bad for us and neither are healthy fats like butter, cheese, avocados, coconut oils, etc.. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying carbs are evil. What I am saying is that the majority of Americans probably have issues with insulin resistance, so increasing insulin sensitivity through a low carb, adequate protein, and moderate fat diet along with intermittent fasting will help increase insulin sensitivity which will not only increase their health through weight loss but will also reverse their diabetes for type 2's. 

The problem is we're so stuck in this outdated nutritional cycle that says deitary carbohydrates are essential when they're not.  The body is able to run off of ketone bodies and the parts of the brain which specifically need glucose to function can get this from glucose the body produces naturally on its own through gluconeogensis.  The answer to a lot of health problems both for weight, cancer, and other neurological issues are found in a properly formulated ketogenic diet which is done off of whole foods.  I made the switch from vegan to paleo to now ketogenic paleo and I've lost 135lbs in 8 months and have retained my lean body mass unlike with my vegan diet where I lost weight but it was lean body mass as well as fat since I wasn't getting adequate protein. Other things this diet has helped with are depression, anxiety, I no longer feel starved, and I have plenty of energy since my body is finally burning my stored body fat for fuel. 

http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/why-hungry/

That's amesome. My problem on the paleo diet was finding the time to cook. It was so incredibly hard just to keep food around as a grad student. I mean, sometimes I needed food FAST, without having to agonize over it or prepare it or find it. And that was really hard on the paleo diet.

How do you manage? I would like to go back to it. I just don't think I can till I finish grad school.

[little2add]

Twinkies are vegan, right?

[Not A Real Name]

3 hours ago, Gabriela said:

That's amesome. My problem on the paleo diet was finding the time to cook. It was so incredibly hard just to keep food around as a grad student. I mean, sometimes I needed food FAST, without having to agonize over it or prepare it or find it. And that was really hard on the paleo diet.

How do you manage? I would like to go back to it. I just don't think I can till I finish grad school.

I keep my meals very simple. Prawns with broccoli, or chicken breast with mixed green salad, or country pork ribs with coleslaw.  Other times I'll just have romain lettuce with deli meet (turkey or chicken), hard boiled eggs, pepperoni, and avocado again.  If I cook I use coconut oil. On payday or days off I will cook steak with mashed cauliflower with bacon bits (kinda looks like mashed potatoes.) If I get carbs they are from veggies.  The only fruit I eat are avocados.  I track how much food I eat and weigh it.  This process has helped me not only lose weight but break the emotional attachment I had with food.  

[He is Risen!]

Not sure about Twinkies but Oreos are, lol

[NadaTeTurbe]

Honestly, the idea of a vegetarian priest bothers me, because of how rude it is for a normal man to go to someone house and say "I don't eat meat, please do a special meal for me", but for a priest, it's worst. I can't imagine a priest saying to a parishioner who invites him to eat "Yes, but you'll have to do a special meal for me". Like do you imagine Jesus doing this where he was invited ? 

As for me, I'm not a vegan at all. In my family, we eat meats two or three times a week, because it's natural and also we eat expensive meat that is raised and killed not far away from our house. Sadly, the new trend in France is to expect people to do a personal meal for you : people don't want to eat pork, or meat, or they are "gluten-free", or they don't like this, or this... Manners are dead. I've been raised in the "eat it with a smile even if you hate it" philosophy, thankfully to my parents. 

[Gabriela]

3 hours ago, NadaTeTurbe said:

Honestly, the idea of a vegetarian priest bothers me, because of how rude it is for a normal man to go to someone house and say "I don't eat meat, please do a special meal for me", but for a priest, it's worst. I can't imagine a priest saying to a parishioner who invites him to eat "Yes, but you'll have to do a special meal for me". Like do you imagine Jesus doing this where he was invited ? 

As for me, I'm not a vegan at all. In my family, we eat meats two or three times a week, because it's natural and also we eat expensive meat that is raised and killed not far away from our house. Sadly, the new trend in France is to expect people to do a personal meal for you : people don't want to eat pork, or meat, or they are "gluten-free", or they don't like this, or this... Manners are dead. I've been raised in the "eat it with a smile even if you hate it" philosophy, thankfully to my parents. 

I agree. I will eat whatever's put it in front of me no matter what I prefer. I do, however, draw the line at things I'm allergic to or things that give me a gag reflex (which, unfortunately, is a large number of foods due to a weird texture thing I have). So I'm cool with making special meals for people if it's a serious health issue, but personally, if it's just cuz I wanna be on a specific diet, that's not a good enough reason to inconvenience someone else. When I was paleo, I'd never turn down an opportunity to eat with friends because they (or the restaurant) didn't make something paleo. I ate whatever.

For the most part, I avoid being invited to people's houses for meals, cuz I hate sending the list of things that make me wretch. It's so embarrassing I'd rather we all just go out to a restaurant. I hate to burden the (home) cook!

[Peace]

I, Peace, shall defend the vegetarian position. Or at the very least the pescatarian position.

1) The fact that God allows something does not mean that it is the ideal. The traditionalists on this site have used this argument against me plenty of times, so right back at you! The fact that God allows men to eat meat does not mean that eating meat is His ideal.

2) The reader will kindly note that in the first chapter of Genesis God grants men only the permission to eat seed bearing plants and fruit. Before the fall of man God did not permit men to eat meat. In the ninth Chapter of Genesis God permits man to eat meat. That is, only after the fall of man and the Flood did God permit man to eat meat. This indicates that's God's ideal for man was that he did not eat meat. It was only permitted to man out of the hardness of his heart.

3) After Jesus returns animals will not be killed and eaten. Therefore killing animals and eating them is not God's ideal. I give you the 11th Chapter of Isaiah as admittedly tenuous support for my assertion:

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The wolf will live with the lamb,
    the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
    and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
    their young will lie down together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
    and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
    on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
    as the waters cover the sea.

4) The body is a temple and should be treated with care.

Vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters. You know it is true and I know it is true. You can try to argue that until the cows come home (attempted pun) but both you and I know that boat isn't getting very far from the harbor. For example:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/is-it-better-to-be-a-vegetarian#1

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According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than meat eaters. Vegetarians also tend to have a lower body mass index, lower overall cancer rates and lower risk of chronic disease.

5) Cruelty to animals is not Christian. But the overwhelming majority of meat is produced in factory farms where animals are kept under cruel conditions and treated cruelly. Your participation in this industry by choosing to eat the products of factory farms makes you complicit in cruelty to animals, just like a person watching pornography in his own home makes him complicit in the harm that the pornography industry causes to women and children.

On 8/14/2016 at 7:22 AM, Gabriela said:

Personally, I think most people who go vegetarian/vegan do so in a totally hypocritical way, still supporting birth control and abortion. Talk about misguided.

Yes. When I find these people I like to grill them (attempted pun) to no end on the logical inconsistency of their positions.

A sixth, if not fatal, point in my argument is that low carb diets are cause chronic halitosis.  FTW

[Not A Real Name]

42 minutes ago, Peace said:

I, Peace, shall defend the vegetarian position. Or at the very least the pescatarian position.

1) The fact that God allows something does not mean that it is the ideal. The traditionalists on this site have used this argument against me plenty of times, so right back at you! The fact that God allows men to eat meat does not mean that eating meat is His ideal.

2) The reader will kindly note that in the first chapter of Genesis God grants men only the permission to eat seed bearing plants and fruit. Before the fall of man God did not permit men to eat meat. In the ninth Chapter of Genesis God permits man to eat meat. That is, only after the fall of man and the Flood did God permit man to eat meat. This indicates that's God's ideal for man was that he did not eat meat. It was only permitted to man out of the hardness of his heart.

3) After Jesus returns animals will not be killed and eaten. Therefore killing animals and eating them is not God's ideal. I give you the 11th Chapter of Isaiah as admittedly tenuous support for my assertion:

4) The body is a temple and should be treated with care.

Vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters. You know it is true and I know it is true. You can try to argue that until the cows come home (attempted pun) but both you and I know that boat isn't getting very far from the harbor. For example:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/is-it-better-to-be-a-vegetarian#1

5) Cruelty to animals is not Christian. But the overwhelming majority of meat is produced in factory farms where animals are kept under cruel conditions and treated cruelly. Your participation in this industry by choosing to eat the products of factory farms makes you complicit in cruelty to animals, just like a person watching pornography in his own home makes him complicit in the harm that the pornography industry causes to women and children.

Yes. When I find these people I like to grill them (attempted pun) to no end on the logical inconsistency of their positions.

A sixth, if not fatal, point in my argument is that low carb diets are cause chronic halitosis.  FTW

Just going to leave this here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

[Peace]

5 minutes ago, Not A Real Name said:

Just going to leave this here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

Perhaps. But at least my breath will not be funky.

[Not A Real Name]

5 minutes ago, Peace said:

Perhaps. But at least my breath will not be funky.

While funky breath is a problem at first, it tapers off.  Especially if you have your electrolytes in check.

[Ice_nine]

vegetarians are usually more health-conscious than meat-eaters (which covers a wide swath of people from KFC addicts to people who do cross-fit and shop at whole foods). So if someone said vegetarians are healthier, I would be skeptical that it's the vegetables.

[Guest]

I try to only eat red meat once a week for health reasons. It usually ends up being a triple cheese at Wendys. Sometimes also additionally some pizza pockets or something like that with red meat in it. But throughout the week I eat alot of chicken. I couldn't imagine cutting all meat completely out of my diet. I lift weights also and while you can bodybuild as a vegetarian it's alot tougher because you have to exclude whey and casein proteins as well. Nelly used to claim to be a vegetarian and he got pretty jacked but it's also rumored he used steroids to add the size. Don't know if that's true or false.

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Socrates said:

Proud member of PETA here.  

That's People Eating Tasty Animals.

Pretty much this.