guns v murder rate

[Winchester]

On 9/13/2021 at 12:16 PM, Peace said:

This is nonsense. The Catholic Church condemns terrorism. She allows for government regulation of things like guns, drugs, etc. They are not the same thing.

Yeah I don't think you can reconcile libertarianism with Catholic social teaching. If you read all of the economic encyclicals starting with Rerum Novarum you'll see how a pure libertarian philosophy is practically ruled out. For example:

https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19310515_quadragesimo-anno.html

88. Attention must be given also to another matter that is closely connected with the foregoing. Just as the unity of human society cannot be founded on an opposition of classes, so also the right ordering of economic life cannot be left to a free competition of forces. For from this source, as from a poisoned spring, have originated and spread all the errors of individualist economic teaching. Destroying through forgetfulness or ignorance the social and moral character of economic life, it held that economic life must be considered and treated as altogether free from and independent of public authority, because in the market, i.e., in the free struggle of competitors, it would have a principle of self direction which governs it much more perfectly than would the intervention of any created intellect. But free competition, while justified and certainly useful provided it is kept within certain limits, clearly cannot direct economic life - a truth which the outcome of the application in practice of the tenets of this evil individualistic spirit has more than sufficiently demonstrated. Therefore, it is most necessary that economic life be again subjected to and governed by a true and effective directing principle. This function is one that the economic dictatorship which has recently displaced free competition can still less perform, since it is a headstrong power and a violent energy that, to benefit people, needs to be strongly curbed and wisely ruled. But it cannot curb and rule itself. Loftier and nobler principles - social justice and social charity - must, therefore, be sought whereby this dictatorship may be governed firmly and fully. Hence, the institutions themselves of peoples and, particularly those of all social life, ought to be penetrated with this justice, and it is most necessary that it be truly effective, that is, establish a juridical and social order which will, as it were, give form and shape to all economic life. Social charity, moreover, ought to be as the soul of this order, an order which public authority ought to be ever ready effectively to protect and defend. It will be able to do this the more easily as it rids itself of those burdens which, as We have stated above, are not properly its own.

Using violence to make people do what you want is anti-social.

The state is the enemy of society.

[Peace]

33 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Using violence to make people do what you want is anti-social.

Nonsense. If a police officer uses physical force to arrest a drug dealer to stop him from selling crack-cocaine to an addict in the street, there is nothing anti-social about that.

Unless you consider a crack addict getting high on the street while your kids walk to school "social activity".

33 minutes ago, Winchester said:

The state is the enemy of society.

More nonsense.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

Nonsense. If a police officer uses physical force to arrest a drug dealer to stop him from selling crack-cocaine to an addict in the street, there is nothing anti-social about that.

Unless you consider a crack addict getting high on the street while your kids walk to school "social activity".

More nonsense.

Those deals occur because of prohibition.

Did I recommend "The Economics of Prohibition", yet? You should read it. It will help you understand why your deities have failed miserably in bringing about Utopia through bloodshed.

[Peace]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

It will help you understand why your deities have failed miserably in bringing about Utopia through bloodshed.

More insults, because yo have nothing of substance to say.

[Winchester]

Just now, Peace said:

More insults, because yo have nothing of substance to say.

Non sequitur.

Read the book.

[Peace]

6 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Non sequitur.

Read the book.

I don't take recommendations, let alone instructions, from an idiot like you.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

I don't take recommendations, let alone instructions, from an idiot like you.

Then definitely don't read the book. Under no circumstances should you read the book.

[Didacus]

18 hours ago, Winchester said:

Then definitely don't read the book. Under no circumstances should you read the book.

I think he should also hold his breath and pout for 10 minutes to prove a point.

[ardillacid]

On 9/22/2021 at 6:31 PM, Winchester said:

Those deals occur because of prohibition.

Did I recommend "The Economics of Prohibition", yet? You should read it. It will help you understand why your deities have failed miserably in bringing about Utopia through bloodshed.

Not enough violence 

[Winchester]

48 minutes ago, ardillacid said:

Not enough violence 

probably right. 

[Didacus]

On 9/25/2021 at 3:55 PM, ardillacid said:

Not enough violence 

If violence isnt working that probably means you're not using enough.