Why Are Protestants So Pro-israel?

[Archbishop 10-K]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Jun 21 2004, 11:55 PM'] You cant seperate what happened from 1948 from the Past, the whole point of the invasion was for Jews to have they're land back given by God to abraham, and finally stepped upon by Joshua, however due to their disbelief in the Messiah that covenant is broken and now you CHRISTIANS are the true heirs of Israel, Judah and so on. Yet you give what God gave you away like its nothing. [/quote]
That's kind of what I was thinking. That's one reason why the Crusades were fought, right? I mean, all this pro-Israel support and have we done anything to evangelize there? Does the Catholic Church even have a diocese in Israel?


However, I disagree that the Covenant was fully broken. The Jews as a whole broke their part, most definitely, but I think God is still holding up His half of the bargain, in some way. I'll get back to this one later.

Edited June 22, 2004 by Archbishop 10-K

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Ellenita' date='Jun 22 2004, 02:58 AM'] Actually I believe the people within the Zionist movement - who were presumably Jewish - used bombs in Palestine when it was a British protectorate in order to 'kick the British out' and so speed up the possibility of the formation of the (secular) state of Israel......one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... [/quote]
King David Hotel is the one that sticks out in my mind. Google for "Stern Gang" and "Irgun" are two jewish terrorist groups I can think of..

[yiannii]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 22 2004, 10:38 PM'] King David Hotel is the one that sticks out in my mind. Google for "Stern Gang" and "Irgun" are two jewish terrorist groups I can think of.. [/quote]
This incident gave birth to terrorism as we know it; was learning about the beginnings of terrorism international studies.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Archbishop 10-K' date='Jun 22 2004, 10:01 PM'] That's kind of what I was thinking. That's one reason why the Crusades were fought, right? I mean, all this pro-Israel support and have we done anything to evangelize there? Does the Catholic Church even have a diocese in Israel?


However, I disagree that the Covenant was fully broken. The Jews as a whole broke their part, most definitely, but I think God is still holding up His half of the bargain, in some way. I'll get back to this one later. [/quote]
Cool we agreed on something..lol.

The Crusades were to free Israel and 'Palestine' from Muslim control as well as save innocent Christians, jews, and schismatics from severe oppression. Of course the main purpose was to save the Holy Sep. Where Christ was cruxified by the Romans.

No No No. I fell into that two. A covenant is must be upheld by both parties, if one fails, then its broken, read Ezekiel, Jeremiah, who mentions I believe that all other covenants will be surpassed by a new one, which is Christ's. A covenant doesnt work like 'One way fails, the other upholds' Read 1,2 Kings and 1,2 Chr.

[quote]but I think God is still holding up His half of the bargain[/quote]

No Bro. I know your trying to be all kind and diplomatic [maybe, just a guess], but its not, if it was that way, then there was need for any new and renewed covenants. It must be upheld by BOTH sides, if one fails, then its abolished or as God didnt times and time again, renew it, this one was renewed by Christ to Christians.

[MorphRC]

* I fell for that to *

sry typo..lol

[Mary's Knight, La]

morph, the bible clearly says God is faithful even when we aren't thus the covenant complete or not doesn't get abolished just because we fail to keep it. and there's an important point Jesus came to complete the old covenant, to add the clause that allows it not fail even when we do. Jesus completed the covenant with His death.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Mary's Knight, La' date='Jun 23 2004, 04:12 AM'] morph, the bible clearly says God is faithful even when we aren't thus the covenant complete or not doesn't get abolished just because we fail to keep it. and there's an important point Jesus came to complete the old covenant, to add the clause that allows it not fail even when we do. Jesus completed the covenant with His death. [/quote]
True he 'is faithful' the other part is wrong thou. If we arent faithful to the covenant, its renewed, or abolished. As I said 1,2 Kings 1,2 Chr testifies to that.

[Archbishop 10-K]

[quote]No Bro. I know your trying to be all kind and diplomatic [maybe, just a guess], but its not, if it was that way, then there was need for any new and renewed covenants. It must be upheld by BOTH sides, if one fails, then its abolished or as God didnt times and time again, renew it, this one was renewed by Christ to Christians.[/quote]



I stand corrected. It's just that I remember reading a verse that said something along the lines of how God's covenants are eternal (and no, I can't find it.) But, the "both ends" definition starts to make more sense now.

[MorphRC]

Yeh there the ones that get renewed. Such as the one in the NT which talks of the land of Canaan now belonging to the true heirs, christians.

[MorphRC]

Wow Ive made 78 posts in 2 days..more than my total time since May..lol..just thought Id share that...