The FSSP published a critique of Amoris Laetitia

[<3 PopeFrancis]

12 hours ago, Sponsa-Christi said:

We've always known that there can be factors that mitigate the sinfulness of a situation. So of course it could be that there are factors which mitigate the sinfulness of an irregular marriage (which is certainly not to say that ALL irregular marriages now automatically have factors that would mitigate the couple's culpability!).

 

Jesus said through St. Faustina, paraphrasing that 'the last for chance for man is His Divine Mercy.  

12 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said:

I do not understand what you are saying.

Regarding some of the private revelations from people during or preparing for this critical time the Second Vatican Council, perhaps I am presuming that Traditionalists particularly FSSP are somewhat sedevacants.  If this is the case, the marriages and Ordinations during this Critical period would seem null.

 

12 hours ago, Sponsa-Christi said:

In such a case, the person in an irregular situation wouldn't be guilty of mortal sin, so it would follow that God's grace would be alive in their soul in at least some way.  If a couple in such a situation wanted to grow in grace, then of course the Church should help them do this (as the Church wants to help EVERYONE grow in grace and charity)---but naturally, this would eventually mean duly explaining the objective sinfulness of an irregular marriage and helping them resolve their situation in whatever ways were possible. 

Agreed.

Perhaps this is the Church's attempt at fixing their problem.  If there were evil influences since the Second Vatican Council, they are making an attempt to fix it.  I bet those people Pope Francis married are approaching marriage with a renewed zeal for family and a growing love for God.  "To those whose sins are greater will love more because of their receiving God's great mercy"  something like that Jesus says.

Edited August 19, 2016 by <3 PopeFrancis
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[dominicansoul]

It will be interesting if the Holy Spirit ever elects an FSSP priest to the Papacy.  

 

I would be in ecstasy...

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2016 by dominicansoul
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[truthfinder]

1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

It will be interesting if the Holy Spirit ever elects an FSSP priest to the Papacy.  

 

I would be in ecstasy...

 

We've got to get an FSSP bishop first (well not technically, but you know)

1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

It will be interesting if the Holy Spirit ever elects an FSSP priest to the Papacy.  

 

I would be in ecstasy...

 

We've got to get an FSSP bishop first (well not technically, but you know)

[Nihil Obstat]

2 hours ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

Jesus said through St. Faustina, paraphrasing that 'the last for chance for man is His Divine Mercy.  

Regarding some of the private revelations from people during or preparing for this critical time the Second Vatican Council, perhaps I am presuming that Traditionalists particularly FSSP are somewhat sedevacants.  If this is the case, the marriages and Ordinations during this Critical period would seem null.

 

Agreed.

Perhaps this is the Church's attempt at fixing their problem.  If there were evil influences since the Second Vatican Council, they are making an attempt to fix it.  I bet those people Pope Francis married are approaching marriage with a renewed zeal for family and a growing love for God.  "To those whose sins are greater will love more because of their receiving God's great mercy"  something like that Jesus says.

I still have no idea what you are saying. The FSSP are not sedevacantist by any broad stretch of the imagination. That is foolish to suggest.

2 hours ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

Jesus said through St. Faustina, paraphrasing that 'the last for chance for man is His Divine Mercy.  

Regarding some of the private revelations from people during or preparing for this critical time the Second Vatican Council, perhaps I am presuming that Traditionalists particularly FSSP are somewhat sedevacants.  If this is the case, the marriages and Ordinations during this Critical period would seem null.

 

Agreed.

Perhaps this is the Church's attempt at fixing their problem.  If there were evil influences since the Second Vatican Council, they are making an attempt to fix it.  I bet those people Pope Francis married are approaching marriage with a renewed zeal for family and a growing love for God.  "To those whose sins are greater will love more because of their receiving God's great mercy"  something like that Jesus says.

I still have no idea what you are saying. The FSSP are not sedevacantist by any broad stretch of the imagination. That is foolish to suggest.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

Good.  I don't understand what you are asking.

Good.  I don't understand what you are asking.

Good that Traditionalist are not sedevacantists by any stretch of the imagination.

I do not understand what you do not understand therefore I do not understand what you are asking.

Good that Traditionalist are not sedevacantists by any stretch of the imagination.

I do not understand what you do not understand therefore I do not understand what you are asking.

Presuming that Traditionalists were sedevacantists was the basis of what I said.  If you are a Traditionalist, everything I said was foolish so please discount it altogether.

Presuming that Traditionalists were sedevacantists was the basis of what I said.  If you are a Traditionalist, everything I said was foolish so please discount it altogether.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

[Nihil Obstat]

4 hours ago, <3 PopeFrancis said:

 

 

I do consider myself a traditionalist.

Not intending to be rude, but is English not your first language?

Apologies for formatting. The reply box seems not to be cooperating today. 

Edited August 19, 2016 by Nihil Obstat
Reply box is broken.

[<3 PopeFrancis]

10 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Not intending to be rude, but is English not your first language?

Why do you ask this?

10 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Not intending to be rude, but is English not your first language?

Why do you ask this?

[KnightofChrist]

it's like deja vu all over again

it's like deja vu all over again

[<3 PopeFrancis]

10 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Not intending to be rude, but is English not your first language?

Why do you ask this?

[Nihil Obstat]

Because I am finding it incredibly difficult to parse your replies in this thread.

Because I am finding it incredibly difficult to parse your replies in this thread.

[Papist]

On 8/18/2016 at 10:07 PM, Sponsa-Christi said:

I actually don't think---if you read it from a "hermeneutic of continuity" (as in, reading it while presuming that everything that the Church has said about these issues before still applies now)---that the footnote in question is really problematic. 

For instance:

We've always known that there can be factors that mitigate the sinfulness of a situation. So of course it could be that there are factors which mitigate the sinfulness of an irregular marriage (which is certainly not to say that ALL irregular marriages now automatically have factors that would mitigate the couple's culpability!).

In such a case, the person in an irregular situation wouldn't be guilty of mortal sin, so it would follow that God's grace would be alive in their soul in at least some way.  If a couple in such a situation wanted to grow in grace, then of course the Church should help them do this (as the Church wants to help EVERYONE grow in grace and charity)---but naturally, this would eventually mean duly explaining the objective sinfulness of an irregular marriage and helping them resolve their situation in whatever ways were possible. 

I honestly took "certain cases" to mean "cases where the couple is living as brother and sister." Again, it's nothing new to propose that an irregularly married couple who making is an effort to be chaste can receive the sacraments in some situations. 

Also, the confessional SHOULD be a positive encounter with God's mercy. I don't think that idea is controversial in any way. 

I believe, it is how ambiguous the Pope is in his statements that is concerning. 

[<3 PopeFrancis]

3 hours ago, Papist said:

I believe, it is how ambiguous the Pope is in his statements that is concerning. 

  Non-Catholics have been commenting to me of how the Holy Father sort of speaks from the side of his mouth.  I see Jesus when I see the Holy Father; however, non-Catholics and returning Catholics alike find what he says confusing.  I mean, I understand what he means when he says "Who am I to judge?" when asked his position on homosexuality.  Someone who thinks that sexual deviance is actually an issue might be confused.  It can be concerning, I agree.