Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) A Facebook "friend" I work with posted this. I see a lot of people posting similar things. What do you find wrong with this? If you agree with it do you find people who don't agree with it hateful? I don't consider myself an ally. Should I be? As a Catholic is it even possible to be an ally for equal rights for gays? A Catholic can never support "gay marriage" correct? Edited June 19, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 People don't understand what equal rights really means. The way a lot of people use it is asinine. Does equal rights mean I'm entitled to enter the Boston Marathon? I'm a cripple who uses a walker and I'm self identifying as a runner therefore I'm entitled to be allowed to enter. Anyone who has more than one kid understands that you treat your kids fairly, but you can't treat them all equally because each kid is different and has different needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gabriela Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, Josh said: Another post This is the problem with American culture: Disagree, and you're banished from my circle of friends. We need to grow the fugg up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Just now, Gabriela said: This is the problem with American culture: Disagree, and you're banished from my circle of friends. We need to grow the fugg up. I agree. I think the poster is saying that his religious Facebook "friends" will delete him and he's somehow being brave. I didn't delete him. I don't think that's the case (him going against everyone and risking "friendships") since it seems now a days almost everyone agrees with "gay marriage" and supports it. Even Catholics and Christians. I just saw a picture of a Catholic Church the other day covered by the pride rainbow colors. This was posted by a really good friend that I haven't seen in about 5 years since I moved states. I replied to it and he didn't write back. Edited June 19, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Josh said: I agree. I think the poster is saying that the religious friends will delete him and he's somehow being brave. I didn't delete him. I don't think that's the case since it seems now a days almost everyone agrees with "gay marriage". Even Catholics and Christians. I just saw a picture of a Catholic Church the other day covered by the pride rainbow colors. Cuz Catholics are afraid to disagree too. We just want everybody to like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 41 minutes ago, Josh said: Even Catholics and Christians. I just saw a picture of a Catholic Church the other day covered by the pride rainbow colors. Here is today's bulletin from a parish not too far from downtown Boystown in Chicago: https://content.parishesonline.com/bulletins/01/0544/20160619B.pdf On page 9, the pastor wishes the LGBTQ community "Happy Pride". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Happy Pride. So pretty much saying homosexual acts are no longer a sin let alone one that cries out to God for vengeance and justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Sorry I'm not an ally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spem in alium Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I have friends who are gay. I have a cousin who is gay, who has been with one partner for around eight years and wants to be married. I love them, and I want the best for them. But what is the best for them? I'm not convinced that it's marriage. Re. expressions of gay pride, etc., I do understand why people are coming out with this. When you are victimised and discriminated against unfairly, as many members of the LGBTQ community have been and continue to be, it seems natural that you want to speak out. I completely understand the displays of solidarity and camaraderie, and I'm not wholeheartedly against them. But at the same time, I'm not about to depart from my opinions or my values. Gabriela is right, it seems that Catholics have typically kept silent on issues like this because they want to be liked or don't want to "rock the boat". This is very, very unfortunate, and it needs to change. The purpose of life isn't to be liked or held in high regard. It is - at least in my view - recognising God's love for us and revealing God's love to others. Sometimes that does mean disagreeing, or expressing an opinion which is contradictory or very unpopular, but it always means showing respect and value for the other and for the dignity they possess by virtue of the fact that God dwells in them, even if they don't recognise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) I genuinely think that a majority of Catholics and Christians truly support "gay marriage". As well as a ton of Priests and Bishops. Maybe I'm wrong on this but it seems to be the case. I know very kind loving Catholics/Christians who believe gay people should be able to marry. With this tragic Orlando massacre I think even more are going to be swayed over to Satan's side. I trust the Church will never give in on this and I'm thankful to hear Pope Francis say things like this Edited June 20, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Gabriela said: Cuz Catholics are afraid to disagree too. We just want everybody to like us. I think there is some truth in the above. I think that we probably have a sense of very deep shame and rightly so - and are trying to move on and in the trying might make every effort possible to get others to "like us". Not perhaps so much because one wants to be liked - but rather to witness to the fact that Catholics can be quite likeable people. The very real mistake can be to cave in and adhere to popular secular opinions in order to attempt to show the face of Catholicism as likeable. We are not called to be likeable people, we are called to be loving people.........and that begs the question "What is the difference between liking and loving?" and another subject. "Well, I try my best To be just like I am But everybody wants you To be just like them" (Bob Dylan "Maggie's Farm") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Why was the picture removed on the post where I said "Sorry I'm not an ally." How was that inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polskieserce Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) There are a lot of things wrong with that banner. The first problem is that the homosexual movement is not campaigning for equal rights. It is campaigning for rights which previously did not exist. Prior to the US Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage, homosexuals had the right to get married to people of the opposite sex. That’s the first major flaw. As a true Catholic, you should not get yourself entangled in the homosexual movement and you are correct in assuming that you can’t be a Catholic and support these kinds of things simultaneously. People who try to have it both ways are Catholic in Name Only. If some people view you as “hateful” for sticking to God’s definition of marriage, then you don’t need them in your life. The second problem is that Catholics are trying too hard to please people (and not only on the issue of homosexuality). If a Catholic stands up and says that he/she is against abortion under all circumstances or that he/she refuses to marry someone who is not a virgin, then that Catholic will also get plenty of dirty looks and criticism. Too many Catholics don’t want to be “bigoted”. It's time that Catholics took a stand against this judgment free nonsense. Edited June 20, 2016 by polskieserce Line Spacing, Added another thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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