dUSt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, little2add said: My brother is gay and he's one of the best people I've ever known, he is also an atheist. He's not heavy, he's my brother and I will not condemn him I think there is a difference between not condemning a person and accepting a lifestyle. You said the lifestyle is "acceptable", which to everyone reading, means that you condone the lifestyle (which is the act). One does not have to condemn a person to condemn the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) On 6/14/2016 at 3:03 PM, little2add said: both lifestyles are okay and acceptable, but my kid ever decided to become a democrat and died in that state he or she will be in hell for all of eternity so... 24 minutes ago, little2add said: Doesn't the Catholic Church teach us to respect and love the atheist and/or homosexual person the same as it does the heterosexual. Catholicism teaches that homosexual people must be treated with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every act or thought of hatred, violence, or persecution toward the homosexual is condemned. I do not condone sexual activity outside of marriage as it is sinful and immoral. Masturbation, fornication, adultery, pornography, and artificial contraception are all sins in the eyes of the Catholic Church. I believe that marriage is the permanent, faithful, and God-willing fruitful union of a man and woman who have entered the covenant relationship of husband and wife. The sacrament of Matrimony is a sacred bond that imitates the love between Christ and his bride, the Church. The Church believes that because God instituted marriage, neither the Church nor the secular state (civil government) has the authority to redefine or substantially change the nature of marriage. My brother is gay and he's one of the best people I've ever known, he is also an atheist. He's not heavy, he's my brother and I will not condemn him These two statements do not address the same issue at all. Do you believe the homosexual lifestyle is "okay and acceptable"? Do you believe the "atheist lifestyle" is "okay and acceptable"? One of my best friends is homosexual and he's also one of the best people I've ever known. But I would not say that his lifestyle is "okay and acceptable". I'd say it's a tragedy, particularly in such an otherwise good man. Edited June 17, 2016 by Gabriela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dUSt said: I think there is a difference between not condemning a person and accepting a lifestyle. You said the lifestyle is "acceptable", which to everyone reading, means that you condone the lifestyle (which is the act). One does not have to condemn a person to condemn the act. I apologize, I misspoke Some of the comments that have been made about the Orlando shooting have been hateful and unchristian like. My comment was a knee-jerk reaction to the hatred or what I perceived as hatred expressed ( not mentioning any names) in some of the treads about their subject 6 minutes ago, Gabriela said: These two statements do not address the same issue at all. Do you believe the homosexual lifestyle is "okay and acceptable"? Do you believe the "atheist lifestyle" is "okay and acceptable"? One of my best friends is homosexual and he's also one of the best people I've ever known. But I would not say that his lifestyle is "okay and acceptable". I'd say it's a tragedy, particularly in such an otherwise good man. I believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church in Jesus Christ. 11 minutes ago, Gabriela said: These two statements do not address the same issue at all. Do you believe the homosexual lifestyle is "okay and acceptable"? Do you believe the "atheist lifestyle" is "okay and acceptable"? One of my best friends is homosexual and he's also one of the best people I've ever known. But I would not say that his lifestyle is "okay and acceptable". I'd say it's a tragedy, particularly in such an otherwise good man. I believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church and in Jesus Christ Edited June 17, 2016 by little2add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, little2add said: I apologize, I misspoke Some of the comments that have been made about the Orlando shooting have been hateful and unchristian like. My comment was a knee-jerk reaction to the hatred or what I perceived as hatred expressed ( not mentioning any names) in some of the treads about their subject I believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church in Jesus Christ. I believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church and in Jesus Christ I understand your knee-jerk reaction given the public rhetoric of late. I agree much of it has been hateful and unchristian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, dUSt said: I think there is a difference between not condemning a person and accepting a lifestyle. You said the lifestyle is "acceptable", which to everyone reading, means that you condone the lifestyle (which is the act). One does not have to condemn a person to condemn the act. so my i remain a "Chummy Commoner", at least until i put my foot in my mouth again, Boss? 1 hour ago, little2add said: HOLLIES "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" what do you think about the song? "i always liked it" Edited June 17, 2016 by little2add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Just now, little2add said: I apologize, I misspoke Some of the comments that have been made about the Orlando shooting have been hateful and unchristian like. You guys keep saying I've made hateful comments yet haven't quoted one of them. I'm waiting. Quote what I said that was hateful. The closest thing I posted that could be considered hate was the verse from Leviticus. And it got removed by a Mediator of Meh I'm guessing. I can't help that God is crystal clear how he feels about 2 guys hooking up. That's not going to change no matter how many Catholic Churches project the rainbow colors over themselves. Edited June 17, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Josh said: You guys keep saying I've made hateful comments yet haven't quoted one of them. I'm waiting. Quote what I said that was hateful. The closest thing I posted that could be considered hate was the verse from Leviticus. And it got removed by a Mediator of Meh I'm guessing. I can't help that God is crystal clear how he feels about 2 guys hooking up. Some of the memes you posted in the Orlando thread were really hateful. And unnecessary. I try to live by the rule a lot of Catholics use: 1. Is it true? 2. Is it kind? 3. Is it necessary? If what you have to say doesn't meet at least 2 of those 3 criteria, don't say it. 99% of the time, it's better to say nothing at all anyway. It's taken my whole life to learn that one can participate in a discussion just by listening (/reading). And usually that's the safest way to remain sinless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) I don't think the memes were hateful at all. Perhaps poor judgment to post them in THAT thread and that could come off as hateful. But as far as what each individual meme said it's complete truth. Edited June 17, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Josh said: I don't think the memes were hateful at all. Perhaps poor judgment to post them in THAT thread and that could come off as hateful. But as far as what each individual meme said it's complete truth. Was it also necessary or kind? 2 out of 3. Seriously, mate, that rule helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Josh said: I don't think the memes were hateful at all. Perhaps poor judgment to post them in THAT thread and that could come off as hateful. But as far as what each individual meme said it's complete truth. Josh, Most of the time I think I understand you as passionate, and come off as stronger than you intend. I also have utmost respect and appreciation for your sobriety. Sometimes what you post is like me going to an AA Meeting and telling everyone they are stupid idiots and just need to stop drinking after one. While generally true, it's not kind or helpful, and probably much more hurtful than I intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The truth isn't always going to come off as kind. Telling people who are BORN gay (without asking to be born that way) that they can never date and fall in love is not going to come off kind to most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Josh said: The truth isn't always going to come off as kind. Telling people who are BORN gay (without asking to be born that way) that they can never date and fall in love is not going to come off kind to most people. Why can't gay people date and fall in love? Everything doesn't have to be about sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Just now, dUSt said: Why can't gay people date and fall in love? Everything doesn't have to be about sex. How can you romantically fall in love with a person and it not eventually lead to sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Why must it be romantic love? There are lots of kinds of love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 31 minutes ago, Josh said: How can you romantically fall in love with a person and it not eventually lead to sex? It's possible for two gay people to love each other and live chastely. Being romantic is often associated with sex, but it doesn't have to be. If I buy my brother his favorite chocolate bar on my way out of the grocery store, just to be nice, it might be called "romantic" if he wasn't my brother. I can't imagine how difficult it would be, but if it remains a priority and a commitment between two gay people to live in such a manner, I'd say they are being more authentic to their Catholic faith than a great majority of people who call themselves Catholic in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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