little2add Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 53 minutes ago, Anomaly said: They all are human. amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Anomaly said: Would it be any less horrific if they were Asian Buddhists? Although a"gay" bar, Pulse was known for Latino music and dancing. Many attendees weren't gay, and were there simply for the music, dancing, and fun. Some victims were parents. One was a mom, there with her child who loved salsa dancing. They all are human. This has been a big thing for me as well. I understand the reasons for doing it (as I've done it repeatedly myself,) but I'm trying to keep in mind that "gay people" did not die, "Latino people" did not die -- people died. It doesn't matter your orientation, ethnicity, or religion -- people dying is a tragedy for the sole reason of people having died. It's difficult to not label ourselves and others in such a way, as practically speaking it makes things easier, but sometimes it reduces people into mere types, and I think that's potentially destructive and dehumanizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Let's continue to pray for the victims, simply human beings. While not intending to hijack the thread in any way, I want to just say something about what was raised in this thread. I've been saying that Muslims in general shouldn't be classified as terrorists, since 9/11. But I would have to acknowledge, as I was willing to do back then, that in general, most terrorists profess Islam and invoke it when carrying out acts of terror, violence, etc. There was an ideology invoked, and to deny that would be disingenuous. To acknowledge it is necessary for rooting out the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 For anyone interested in knowing the victims, NPR has a picture and bio for each one at this link. I found it helpful to honoring them, like to put a face to the people I'm praying for. www.npr.org Andy Carvin, editor of Reported.ly, posted on his personal facebook the most haunting fact about the shooting I've ever read: "RE: the Orlando shooting, CNN just described something I've never thought of - as investigators are inside the nightclub, where many of the bodies are still where they fell, they have to tune out the nightmarish sound of all the deceased phones' ringing constantly as loved ones tried to reach them. #shudder" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteLily Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 It's good that there is a dialogue happening here. I personally know some priests in the Diocese of Orlando who tended or are still tending to the victim's families, especially their mothers. After having a conversation with one of them shortly after this tragedy happened, from the sound of his voice, it was going to get worse, especially for the local Church - which it did (especially by the statement from Bishop Lynch). But, as soon as Bishop Noonan heard about this tragedy, he took action immediately, holding a prayer service for anyone to come and pray and seek healing. The faithful of Orlando stepped up and received the victims families/friends with open arms. Let's think about it. The people who died were created in the image and likeness of God. Just like you and me. It doesn't matter your orientation, you are cherished and loved by God the Father. Many mothers and fathers are suffering because of the loss of their child. Yet, we focus mostly on the political issue or labels. Let us pray for the souls of the lives lost. Let us pray for the conversion of the men and women who do not know God and his Love for them personally. Pray for the families who are grieving, who are depressed, who are suffering. Let us continue the dialogue. If we stop the dialogue, there is no growth. Let us stop labeling people, but let us start seeing them the way God the Father sees them. Pray the Rosary every day. Pray for peace. Pray for God's mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 On 6/15/2016 at 11:34 AM, Josh said: (to Allah aka Satan) Just wanted to briefly address this minuscule parenthetical interjection. "Allah" is literally the Arabic word for "God." Catholics who speak Arabic worship "Allah" as well. Many people often view Muslims as worshipping some sort of demon or Satan because they call him "Allah," but this would be like questioning Italians for calling Him "Dio." I'm not necessarily saying our God is the same as the god they look to (though by referring to Islam as a Christian heresy, many imply just this), but I just wanted to make this point real quick to clear up any confusion on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Brutally murdering of humans in the name of Allah is satanic, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, LittleWaySoul said: Just wanted to briefly address this minuscule parenthetical interjection. "Allah" is literally the Arabic word for "God." Catholics who speak Arabic worship "Allah" as well. Many people often view Muslims as worshipping some sort of demon or Satan because they call him "Allah," but this would be like questioning Italians for calling Him "Dio." I'm not necessarily saying our God is the same as the god they look to (though by referring to Islam as a Christian heresy, many imply just this), but I just wanted to make this point real quick to clear up any confusion on the matter. Satan is the god of this world. When the antichrist comes he will claim to be god. I know most Catholics don't believe in the antichrist and the false prophet (future anti pope). If you and other Catholics want to believe the deity in the Koran is God then go ahead. As the Bible said even the elect will be deceived. Again I'm not saying all Muslims worship Satan but the deity depicted in the Koran is not the Holy Trinity. Edited July 17, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Josh said: Satan is the god of this world. When the antichrist comes he will claim to be god. I know most Catholics don't believe in the antichrist and the false prophet (future anti pope). If you and other Catholics want to believe the deity in the Koran is God then go ahead. As the Bible said even the elect will be deceived. Again I'm not saying all Muslims worship Satan but the deity depicted in the Koran is not the Holy Trinity. She never said it was the Holy Trinity. In fact, she specifically said she was not necessarily saying that. She simply said "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God", and that Arabic Christians use that word for God in their liturgy, prayers, and theology. It's simply the proper word in their language. The problem lies not in the word, but in people imperializing theology with the English language. "God" is not the universal word for God, it is simply the English one. "Allah" is not a specific name for the Islamic God, like Vishnu would be for Hindus and Thor for Norse pagans. She also never denied the antichrist, so I don't know exactly what you're going on about that for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) I've been told by Church Militant here in the past that we DO NOT believe in a final Antichrist and False Prophet. I've also been told by Church Militant here that I shouldn't even attempt to read Revelations or try to understand it(I was told to leave it to scholar's with degrees). Regardless if you want to admit there's a problem or not many Neo Catholics don't believe there will be a final Antichrist and False Prophet (Anti Pope) that will deceive even the elect and usher in the mark of the beast. Even worse many Neo Catholics aren't even aware of the prophecy in Revelations because they never open up their Bible and read it. I find it beyond troubling how many Catholics are fine with the idea that the god depicted in the Koran is the God Christians worship. Edited July 17, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Josh, no one said the depiction of God in the Quran was the way we worship God, just that the word Allah does not equal the Islamic God. As for Revelation, I wouldn't say absolutely not to read it, but to read it with Catholic commentary. So many people have read it and made sweeping erroneous interpretations. I was Baptist, and I well remember attending classes where a pastor took Revelation (and bits of Daniel) to create a definite chronology of the end times (making it fit his pre-trib, pre-millenial, rapture theology), when that isn't so simple. It is a beautiful, and deep, book that many misinterpret. I would imagine that is why people sound notes of caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 “The False Prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit church. Christ’s Church will be one. And the False Prophet will create the other. The false church will be worldly ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches. And religions forming some type of global association. A world parliament of churches. It will be emptied of all divine content and will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from among our bishops” - Bishop Sheen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Archaeology cat said: Josh, no one said the depiction of God in the Quran was the way we worship God, just that the word Allah does not equal the Islamic God. As for Revelation, I wouldn't say absolutely not to read it, but to read it with Catholic commentary. So many people have read it and made sweeping erroneous interpretations. I was Baptist, and I well remember attending classes where a pastor took Revelation (and bits of Daniel) to create a definite chronology of the end times (making it fit his pre-trib, pre-millenial, rapture theology), when that isn't so simple. It is a beautiful, and deep, book that many misinterpret. I would imagine that is why people sound notes of caution. As Scott Hahn says, it is deeply liturgical. The attempt to make it a prophecy of the end-times came out of necessity for protestants who rejected the liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Just now, PhuturePriest said: As Scott Hahn says, it is deeply liturgical. The attempt to make it a prophecy of the end-times came out of necessity for protestants who rejected the liturgy. So there will will be no final Antichrist, False Prophet and mark of the beast? What was Bishop Sheen talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 40 minutes ago, Josh said: So there will will be no final Antichrist, False Prophet and mark of the beast? What was Bishop Sheen talking about? There is no definitive interpretation of the Apocalypse, but it is widely established that it is deeply liturgical in nature. You can believe it also has end of the world things in it if you like, but there is no mandate to think so, so far as I'm aware. It is, after all, a confusing book, even as far as scripture goes. However, the obsession with the end of the world and its dire happenings has its direct roots from protestantism, and that's when the Apocalypse was turned into the soliloquy dreadful happenings during the (immediately imminent) end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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