Orlando Shooting

[Socrates]

13 hours ago, Maggyie said:

I'm so sorry for the victims. It's terrifying that they could be targeted!!! I have to admit I'm also concerned for my Muslim neighbors. Liberals have been an important group saying "not all Muslims are terrorists" I'm afraid that between a sexual minority and a religious minority, many will choose to stop supporting Muslims.

Nah, the political Left will continue to place the blame on the Second Amendment, the NRA, gun manufacturers, generic "homophobia," "Islamophobia," income inequality, George W. Bush, climate change - anything and everything but radical Islam (or the murderer himself).

And I know I'm a cynic, but the rapidly growing Muslim population is a voting constituency they don't want to lose

And both parties and their whores candidates will try to exploit this horrific crime for political gain. 

But enough politics for now - prayers for the victims and their families!

6 hours ago, Ice_nine said:

It's also hard to consider, in an increasingly polarized society where sentiment rules the day and nuance is not often employed, that people like me (Christians) are the ones who have created the environment where things like this are possible.

BULL.  CR@P.

This disgusting mass-murder didn't have a damned thing to with Christianity or Christians or "people like you."  The murderer was a radical Islamist who gave his allegiance to the vile Islamic terrorist organization ISIS.  It was the hateful and murderous ideology of radical Jihadist Islam, not an environment created by Christians, that made this possible.

Don't let the anti-Christian homosexual lobby and their pc left cronies use this to guilt-trip you.

Seriously. Get off the political correctness.  That stuff's a brain-killing drug.

[little2add]

This king of thing would not of happened in Texas, because ordinary citizens carry guns 

gun control as we know it is the problem not the suluition 

[Socrates]

1 minute ago, little2add said:

This king of thing would not of happened in Texas, because ordinary citizens carry guns 

gun control as we know it is the problem not the suluition 

As with most such mass-shootings, the killer chose a "gun-free zone" where he knew his victims would be unarmed.  By Florida law, guns are not allowed in bars and clubs and other places that serve alcohol.

[WhoamI]

So saddened by this.

By the event itself. Perhaps even more so by the vitriol that has been spewed from all sides.  Before anything else, those people killed were human beings. Sinful, yes, but so am I. Nobody deserves to be gunned down. I pray for their souls, for the soul of the gunman, for all those affected by this terrible event.  I pray for all those trying to use this for political advantage, and in the process,  spreading more hate and anger. 

I've been in touch with a friend who is gay, to see how she is doing in the wake of all this. It has been very difficult for her. She knows that I am Catholic, and knows the Catholic teaching on homosexuality. She also knows that I still love her, and that I am concerned enough about her wellbeing to reach out. There is a time and place for discussion of the Church's teaching, and we have had conversations, but now is not that time.

Spreading hatred and anger does nothing. 

[BarbTherese]

Love the sinner, hate the sin.  We are all sinners and what makes my sin less than another's?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, BarbaraTherese said:

Love the sinner, hate the sin.  We are all sinners and what makes my sin less than another's?

The Bible is very clear that homosexual fornication is worse than fornication between a man and woman. It's not the same. A lot of Christians appear deceived on this issue.

[little2add]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

The Bible is very clear that homosexual fornication is worse than fornication between a man and woman. It's not the same. A lot of Christians appear deceived on this issue.

Josh 

its 5:00 in the morning, give it a rest...

PS: the bible says to not throw stone too

 

[Guest]

Just now, little2add said:

 

PS: the bible says to not throw stone too

 

Does the Bible say throwing stones is one of the four sins like homosexual acts are that cry to Heaven for Vengeance and demand justice from God? 

Edited June 14, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

[Guest]

"Allah loves his followers CONDITIONALLY. This is why we get things like mercy killings in Islam. The parents want the child to go to Allah before they commit any further sins, as this will give them the best chance of getting into Islamic heaven.

 

God however loves His children UNCONDITIONALLY. This means that the greatest sinner can turn and ask forgiveness through Jesus a second before he dies and Jesus will forgive Him because He has already paid the price for that man's sin on the Cross. 

 

This is a fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity."

https://youtu.be/vqOvWq6Ish8

[little2add]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

Does the Bible say throwing stones is one of the four sins like homosexual acts are that cry to Heaven for Vengeance and demand justice from God? 

you've never sinned ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuMkKKuFB2w

 

[Guest]

"The retiring liberal Bishop of St. Petersburg blamed Catholics for the terrorist attack in Orlando. In a blogpost Monday, Bishop Robert Lynch said that Catholicism “targets” and “often breeds contempt for gays, lesbians and transgender people.” The seed of contempt, he said, turns into hatred, “which can ultimately lead to violence.” Unless this attitude changes, he states, “we can expect more Orlandos.”

[Spem in alium]

This article raises very interesting considerations for me. But, of course, placing the blame or attributing such an act of violence to a broken family environment will likely cause an outcry among those who are from broken families themselves, just as it has when people have blamed mental illness or made comments along the lines of "He had to be mentally ill to do that". One does not necessarily represent the whole. 

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/family-ties/18233

A person who identifies as LBGTQ is first and foremost a person with incredible and profound dignity, because they have been created by God. We must love them as brothers and sisters, even if we do not agree with their lifestyle. Why? Because this is what we have been asked to do by Jesus, and because, by loving and respecting them, we are showing the same love and respect to the breath of God dwelling in them. In showing them love, we look at them in the same way that God looks at them and at each person (though, of course, God's love cannot be measured by our own standards).

I know several people who are gay, and who have expressed grief after this tragedy. No, I don't agree with the ways in which some of them are living, but why should this stop me from showing them that I am with them in their grief and that I am utterly against this act?

Edited June 14, 2016 by Spem in alium

[Nihil Obstat]

We should make acts of reparation both for the murders, which were horrible and tragic, and for the sins of homosexuality, which afflict so many souls.

[Guest]