Latin is making a comeback...especially in the secular

[BarbTherese]

I love the Mass in English, but would love to have some Latin in with the English too.

[CountrySteve21]

12 hours ago, BarbaraTherese said:

I love the Mass in English, but would love to have some Latin in with the English too.

Like this

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkxvFeQNbvA&list=PLC32FB20B381F1727&index=57

[BarbTherese]

Thank you for the post, CS - probably not as much Latin as in the video for my preference, although I do not have time to watch the whole video but will when I return from interstate.

 

I think it is vitally important that all can understand the prayers of The Mass (especially of course newcomers to our Mass) hence the vernacular.  It is different if one is a product of pre V2 where one could understand much of the Latin and had a Missal with Latin and alongside a translation into English.  I'd like say The Sanctus, Agnus Dei, Gloria sung in Latin, plus a very few other short prayers......with prayer sheets available with the Latin and alongside the English translation.

 

I used to love The Credo sung in Latin too with Father intoning the first few words: "Credo in Unum Deium"........just something about it for me.

 

But The Mass is always The Mass in any language whatsoever.

 

 

[PhuturePriest]

I've always wondered why people advocate so vociferously for reciting the Creed in Latin in the Ordinary Form. What's the point of professing belief in something if you don't understand what you are professing belief in? The Liturgy is the source and summit of our faith and deserves our very best, which certainly includes the official language of the Church, but at some point there has to be a practical reality to it. Professing belief in a plethora of integral nuanced doctrines is far different than praying the Pater Noster or Agnus Dei -- one is a profession of ideological adherence to core doctrines, which requires at least some mental understanding ("some" taking into account age and that we cannot ever fully comprehend the infinite), and the others are prayers said to glorify God that do not necessarily require understanding, as so long they are said with love they still please God. Certainly this distinction can be appreciated by liturgical enthusiasts?

Edited May 20, 2016 by PhuturePriest

[Gabriela]

6 hours ago, PhuturePriest said:

I've always wondered why people advocate so vociferously for reciting the Creed in Latin in the Ordinary Form. What's the point of professing belief in something if you don't understand what you are professing belief in? The Liturgy is the source and summit of our faith and deserves our very best, which certainly includes the official language of the Church, but at some point there has to be a practical reality to it. Professing belief in a plethora of integral nuanced doctrines is far different than praying the Pater Noster or Agnus Dei -- one is a profession of ideological adherence to core doctrines, which requires at least some mental understanding ("some" taking into account age and that we cannot ever fully comprehend the infinite), and the others are prayers said to glorify God that do not necessarily require understanding, as so long they are said with love they still please God. Certainly this distinction can be appreciated by liturgical enthusiasts?

I appreciate this, but think we could also always just teach people Latin.

Or not. 'Murica?

[PhuturePriest]

6 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

I appreciate this, but think we could also always just teach people Latin.

Or not. 'Murica?

The problem with Americans: they forget there are a lot of people outside of America, and they are just as important and non-Latin acquainted as we are.

[Gabriela]

1 minute ago, PhuturePriest said:

The problem with Americans: they forget there are a lot of people outside of America, and they are just as important and non-Latin acquainted as we are.

We can teach them Latin, too. In fact, most people outside America are already used to learning more than one language, so they're even easier than us.

 

Now go watch my Christian comedian thread.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Gabriela

[PhuturePriest]

Just now, Gabriela said:

We can teach them Latin, too. In fact, most people outside America are already used to learning more than one language, so they're even easier than us.

 

Even so, it's not like we can make everyone Latin scholars. There is a power of understanding in one's own tongue that one cannot match with another language except through years of study and familiarization, which no one should be expected to do just so they can recite and understand a Creed.

[Gabriela]

1 minute ago, PhuturePriest said:

Even so, it's not like we can make everyone Latin scholars. There is a power of understanding in one's own tongue that one cannot match with another language except through years of study and familiarization, which no one should be expected to do just so they can recite and understand a Creed.

Not true. Passive knowledge of a language, and so mere understanding by reading/hearing, comes much faster and more easily than active knowledge, which includes the ability to speak (spontaneously) and write. I never studied Latin, but simply from my familiarity with Spanish and my careful but very short-term study of the English translation that appears side by side with the Latin Creed, I understand the Latin Creed completely, even when Fr. Bede is reciting it at lightning speed.

It's not as hard as Americans think. The biggest barrier to language acquisition in this country is the widespread myth that learning foreign languages is terribly difficult and the mental block that people develop as a result of that. If the rest of the world can do it, we can, too. We're not stupider than everyone else (except for when we are).

Now go watch my Christian comedian thread.

[PhuturePriest]

2 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

Not true. Passive knowledge of a language, and so mere understanding by reading/hearing, comes much faster and more easily than active knowledge, which includes the ability to speak (spontaneously) and write. I never studied Latin, but simply from my familiarity with Spanish and my careful but very short-term study of the English translation that appears side by side with the Latin Creed, I understand the Latin Creed completely, even when Fr. Bede is reciting it at lightning speed.

It's not as hard as Americans think. The biggest barrier to language acquisition in this country is the widespread myth that learning foreign languages is terribly difficult and the mental block that people develop as a result of that. If the rest of the world can do it, we can, too. We're not stupider than everyone else (except for when we are).

Now go watch my Christian comedian thread.

You underestimate America's greatness. America is #1 in everything, including stupidity.

[Gabriela]

3 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

You underestimate America's greatness. America is #1 in everything, including stupidity.

Go watch my Christian comedian thread. There's a reference to seminary fan-boys. You're missing it.

 

[Era Might]

6 hours ago, PhuturePriest said:

You underestimate America's greatness. America is #1 in everything, including stupidity.

Hahahaha, spoken like a real George Carlin.

[BarbTherese]

16 hours ago, Gabriela said:

I never studied Latin, but simply from my familiarity with Spanish and my careful but very short-term study of the English translation that appears side by side with the Latin Creed, I understand the Latin Creed completely,

          

[Anomaly]

On May 21, 2016 at 1:05 AM, PhuturePriest said:

The problem with Americans: they forget there are a lot of people outside of America, and they are just as important and non-Latin acquainted as we are.

The problem with Americans is they indulge in too much self loathing. 

[Not A Real Name]

On 5/20/2016 at 10:08 PM, PhuturePriest said:

Even so, it's not like we can make everyone Latin scholars. There is a power of understanding in one's own tongue that one cannot match with another language except through years of study and familiarization, which no one should be expected to do just so they can recite and understand a Creed.

Maybe not for the laity, but it was something St. Pope John XXIII wanted for the clergy! 

 

https://youtu.be/PItj-tf3j1Y