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[PhuturePriest]

1 hour ago, CatherineM said:

Not sure why on earth I'd need to take an oath to prove my Catholicism outside the profession of faith. 

Earlier you identified yourself as a Modernist. Depending on what you meant by that it's not a big deal, but I think the questions are stemming over concern that a Church Scholar seemingly ascribed to an officially pronounced and condemned heresy. In the Apostle's Creed, we say "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church," which entails believing in all it teaches, including its condemnation of Modernism. Some people just want to make sure that you believe that.

[Benedictus]

 

On 03/05/2016, 17:58:07, PhuturePriest said:

Earlier you identified yourself as a Modernist. Depending on what you meant by that it's not a big deal, but I think the questions are stemming over concern that a Church Scholar seemingly ascribed to an officially pronounced and condemned heresy. In the Apostle's Creed, we say "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church," which entails believing in all it teaches, including its condemnation of Modernism. Some people just want to make sure that you believe that.

Have we stopped doing mental reservation now? This got serious in less than two pages. Seems the silence should be followed by a tumble-weed...

[Nihil Obstat]

29 minutes ago, Benedictus said:

 

Have we stopped doing mental reservation now? This got serious in less than two pages. Seems the silence should be followed by a tumble-weed...

Silence rings out louder than many voices, sometimes.

[CatherineM]

On May 3, 2016 at 10:58:07 AM, PhuturePriest said:

Earlier you identified yourself as a Modernist. Depending on what you meant by that it's not a big deal, but I think the questions are stemming over concern that a Church Scholar seemingly ascribed to an officially pronounced and condemned heresy. In the Apostle's Creed, we say "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church," which entails believing in all it teaches, including its condemnation of Modernism. Some people just want to make sure that you believe that.

Good Grief. I don't ascribe to a heresy. I'm a modernist with a little m. My Momma would have said you needed to loosen your drawers a bit. 

[PhuturePriest]

10 minutes ago, CatherineM said:

Good Grief. I don't ascribe to a heresy. I'm a modernist with a little m. My Momma would have said you needed to loosen your drawers a bit. 

I never said you did. I simply asked what you meant by the word "modernist", and even now your definition remains undefined.

I'm not saying you're a heretic. I just don't see why you would call yourself a modernist and then refuse to give a rudimentary explanation of what you mean.

[Nihil Obstat]

Pascendi:

The Methods of Modernists

18. This becomes still clearer to anybody who studies the conduct of Modernists, which is in perfect harmony with their teachings. In the writings and addresses they seem not unfrequently to advocate now one doctrine now another so that one would be disposed to regard them as vague and doubtful. But there is a reason for this, and it is to be found in their ideas as to the mutual separation of science and faith. Hence in their books you find some things which might well be expressed by a Catholic, but in the next page you find other things which might have been dictated by a rationalist. When they write history they make no mention of the divinity of Christ, but when they are in the pulpit they profess it clearly; again, when they write history they pay no heed to the Fathers and the Councils, but when they catechise the people, they cite them respectfully. In the same way they draw their distinctions between theological and pastoral exegesis and scientific and historical exegesis. So, too, acting on the principle that science in no way depends upon faith, when they treat of philosophy, history, criticism, feeling no horror at treading in the footsteps of Luther, they are wont to display a certain contempt for Catholic doctrines, or the Holy Fathers, for the Ecumenical Councils, for the ecclesiastical magisterium; and should they be rebuked for this, they complain that they are being deprived of their liberty. Lastly, guided by the theory that faith must be subject to science, they continuously and openly criticise the Church because of her sheer obstinacy in refusing to submit and accommodate her dogmas to the opinions of philosophy; while they, on their side, after having blotted out the old theology, endeavour to introduce a new theology which shall follow the vagaries of their philosophers.

[Guest]

[Nihil Obstat]

Oh do not start this crap.

[Guest]

Just now, Nihil Obstat said:

Oh do not start this crap.

Sorry a "Catholic" posted it on Facebook.

[Nihil Obstat]

We do not need any more flamebait. It is simply not a discussion that is either possible or even really allowed on this forum, so just hold off from posting it in the first place.

[Guest]

Don't tell me what to do. Thanks.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Guest