Should homosexuals be accepted into the Ordained Priesthood?

[Guest]

Yes? No? Unsure? 

[Peace]

Nope.

But lesbians on the other hand. They should totally be allowed. 

[Papist]

[Guest]

My girl got a girlfriend, Chevy blue like whirlwind

It's a drought on that boy, so I got that girl in

Pearl Benz, cocking hammer, Arm & Hammer propaganda

Girls think I'm pimpin in linen and salamander sandals

Dirty South hot cause Atlanta, show em with ammo

We ride Phantom, holler shorty for grammar

Yep, now I be on TV, BET our channel

Hood figga from Bankhead, I stay by Grandma Nana

I lay by my banana, dumpin and punkin monkeys

Don't nobody live with my mom but a bunch of junkies

Donut Dunkin', I ride glazed on the Haze

Gator green Chevy, gator guts, alligator Js

 

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Edited March 3, 2016 by Guest

[Gabriela]

Does it matter what we think? We don't get to make this decision.

End of story.

[Guest]

Just now, Gabriela said:

Does it matter what we think? We don't get to make this decision.

End of story.

Yes it matters what we think. We are Priests and Kings. Catholicism tends to make you forget that. Not necessarily a bad thing all the time because it humbles you. Although you can get a guy like Future Fetus who would probably want to burn me at the stakes because I think married priests would be a really good thing right about now. And that I think I'm a Priest and have ideas that may be superior to his.

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[Gabriela]

Just now, Josh said:

Yes it matters what we think. We are Priests and Kings. Catholicism tends to make you forget that. Not necessarily a bad thing all the time because it humbles you. Although you can get a guy like Future Fetus who would probably want to burn me at the stakes because I think married priests would be a really good thing right about now.

Anytime you disagree with the Church, Josh, the Church is wrong and you're right. You should really get that checked, cuz it doesn't seem all that Catholic humbling is working on you.

Your rant is really annoying your fellow Phatmassers. You're being very aggressive. If not out of contrition, then at least out of considerateness, will you please go cool off for a while?

[Guest]

I don't disagree with the Church on any dogmas. What are you talking about? I agree with every single teaching. Celibate priests is not set in stone. Everybody knows that. Get with the program.

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[Papist]

Josh,

I did not know the program was to whine about things.  You seem to have great zeal. However, I believe it misguided.  May I suggest you use your zeal towards the beauty and richness the Church offers. As Gabriela suggest, take a break. Every time you have the urge to rant, stop yourself and grab a good book to do some meditations. 

[Nihil Obstat]

44 minutes ago, Josh said:

I don't disagree with the Church on any dogmas. What are you talking about? I agree with every single teaching. Celibate priests is not set in stone. Everybody knows that. Get with the program.

Each and every time you say that you might "leave the Church", whether it is because of pedophiles or because of mortal sin issues, etc., every single time you say that, you are implicitly denying the dogma of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I would argue that your 'doubts' at this point are willful, and therefore they could be sinful. That is a matter for your own discernment. You do understand that we are obligated to submit to the fullness of Truth contained in the Church of Christ, which is the Catholic Church, so any implication that you would willingly separate yourself from the Church is a denial of one of our central dogmas.

I say this not to pile on, Josh, but simply because this is a serious and ongoing issue for you which deserves very prayerful and prudent reflection on your part.

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[Guest]

Just now, Nihil Obstat said:

Each and every time you say that you might "leave the Church", whether it is because of pedophiles or because of mortal sin issues, etc., every single time you say that, you are implicitly denying the dogma of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I would argue that your 'doubts' at this point are willful, and therefore they could be sinful. That is a matter for your own discernment. You do understand that we are obligated to submit to the fullness of Truth contained in the Church of Christ, which is the Catholic Church, so any implication that you would willingly separate yourself from the Church is a denial of one of our central dogmas.

I say this not to pile on, Josh, but simply because this is a serious and ongoing issue for you which deserves very prayerful and prudent reflection on your part.

Very well said and I agree. I go to Confession and accept the teachings on grave/mortal sin. I submit to Church authority on that. These teachings have troubled me in the past but I still have always accepted them in my mind at the end of the day. I actually think they make sense and it's been helpful realizing culpability is offset to nil in certain instances for certain things. As far as the dogma of extra ecclesiam nulla salus I will Google that after this post. I'm actually really happy and content in my Catholic faith right now. Love the Church I'm going to. I love the Sacraments. I find them very beneficial and I appreciate how I can utilize them almost anonymously and with minimal human interaction. And I definitely feel and see the Holy Spirit in them. God is good.

Just now, Papist said:

Josh,

I did not know the program was to whine about things.  You seem to have great zeal. However, I believe it misguided.  May I suggest you use your zeal towards the beauty and richness the Church offers. As Gabriela suggest, take a break. Every time you have the urge to rant, stop yourself and grab a good book to do some meditations. 

I'm not trying to whine about things. Perhaps I should reevaluate my tone. Although when this **** is in the news and cover ups are still going on in 2016 I'm not going to pretend it's not happening and it isn't effecting my faith in the Church or others faith around me. 

[Nihil Obstat]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

Very well said and I agree. I go to Confession and accept the teachings on grave/mortal sin. I submit to Church authority on that. These teachings have troubled me in the past but I still have always accepted them in my mind at the end of the day. I actually think they make sense and it's been helpful realizing culpability is offset to nil in certain instances for certain things. As far as the dogma of extra ecclesiam nulla salus I will Google that after this post. I'm actually really happy and content in my Catholic faith right now. Love the Church I'm going to. I love the Sacraments. I find them very beneficial and I appreciate how I can utilize them almost anonymously and with minimal human interaction. And I definitely feel and see the Holy Spirit in them. God is good.

 

That is good. This attitude is necessary. But even if it is only an emotional reaction where you say things like "if this is the case, then I will leave the Church", such statements are still objectively sinful. Even if your culpability is reduced, even if it is minimized, it is still, objectively speaking, a grave sin (willful doubt, irreverence, scandal, imprudent, intemperate) which must be cast aside.

I have no doubt that your intentions are good. None of us are perfect. It just so happens that in this case one of your flaws is noticeable to us and we have the ability to point it out to you. Many of my flaws are not nearly so visible, though I am certain they are no less grave, so in a very real sense those visible flaws are advantageous.

[Seven77]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Yes it matters what we think. We are Priests and Kings. Catholicism tends to make you forget that. Not necessarily a bad thing all the time because it humbles you. Although you can get a guy like Future Fetus who would probably want to burn me at the stakes because I think married priests would be a really good thing right about now. And that I think I'm a Priest and have ideas that may be superior to his.

It's true… we are all prophets, priests, and kings through baptism into Christ. But to me, Catholicism reminds me of it! In fact, the Catechism stresses the priesthood of the baptized.  The ministerial priests though are there act in the person of Christ in a unique way as head of the mystical body.

Anyway, I believe that you are a sincere dude and I understand your frustrations.  You do know however that married priests will not necessarily solve the problem, right? Keep fighting the good fight, and keep feeding your brain and your soul with good Catholic books and reading/ viewing materials.

 To everyone, including myself: We're all on different levels in our walk with Jesus and his Holy Church so we should have patience with our fellow brothers and sisters  Especially during this Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy.

Edited March 3, 2016 by Seven77

[Peace]

I don't see what the problem with this thread is. If it is OK for ya'll to whine and complain about how the EF is better than the NO all day why can't the priestly celibacy issue be discussed?

[dominicansoul]

no