Final Antichrist Counterfeit Catholic Church

[Guest]

Don't know how many times I've asked over the years if Catholics believe in a literal final antichrist? If Revelations is literally going to happen or..........It's easy to get a straight answer from Protestants. It's a definitive yes. With Catholics I never get a yes or no. I get confusing answers. I get told not to even read Revelations. It's to complicated for me ect ect ect So now we have Catholics with blogs/ministries saying Pope Francis has something to do with the new world order or is a prime example of having characteristics of a false prophet type that will come in the future. Saying he's evil ect ect ect So now it's a definitive yes from these Catholics. Revelations is going to literally happen. The new world order is coming. It will involve Catholic leadership. These Catholics saying this sound exactly like the Protestants who've always told me the Catholic Church (or maybe a mimicked false Catholic Church.......from a Catholics perspective) is on the rise and the antichrist will come through this system and will deceive the world and even the elect if that were possible. After this Christ will finally return as Revelations says. So what's the deal? Do Catholics understand Revelations as a literal final false prophet and antichrist? Is there a very likely possibility that only a small true authentic Catholic Church will remain and the large counterfeit Catholic Church will deceive the world? I love Pope Francis. I find it disturbing Catholics who have very public blogs/ministries and are followed by the masses say these things about him and firmly seem to believe them. They make it crystal clear that a final false prophet and antichrist is coming and infer a pope will be the false prophet that gets the world to worship the antichrist.(Just like the Bible says) Same things alot of Protestant ministers say. Perry Stone has very interesting videos on this. I have no problem with them saying it if it's the truth. Tbh I've always agreed with the Protestants on Revelations. I've always thought a new world order is coming and it will involve wolves in sheep clothing who are religious figures. I'm against bashing Pope Francis and saying he's an antipope and all of that. Although these people genuinely believe he's acting a lot like the false prophet will when he comes and helps the  antichrist to deceive the entire world. So is it a consensus now from both Protestants and Catholics that a Counterfeit Catholic Church is on the rise and will eventually give rise to the false prophet and antichrist? I don't know what to believe on this anymore.

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[Guest]

"Just before the end of the world, an agent of Christ will become the agent of the Antichrist to gain influence and wealth" - Saint Vincent

"There will be an in validly elected Pope. He will cause great confusion...he will deceive even the very elect if the last days are not shortened" - Saint Francis

"The final false prophet will be a bishop of the church and will lead all religion's into becoming one." - Father O'connor

[Not A Real Name]

Alex Jones meets Catholic Church. I used to get caught up in this type of stuff but now I don't bother with it. While I believe that there will be an antichrist, I for now, just try my hardest not to be antichrist in my own life. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Not A Real Name said:

Alex Jones meets Catholic Church. I used to get caught up in this type of stuff but now I don't bother with it. While I believe that there will be an antichrist, I for now, just try my hardest not to be antichrist in my own life. 

I feel you on not trying to be an antichrist. Wise words. I'm not really trying to get caught up in it but it's tough to try to convince anyone to become Catholic if this is the case.

[Not A Real Name]

10 minutes ago, Josh said:

 I'm not really trying to get caught up in it but it's tough to try to convince anyone to become Catholic if this is the case.

Why would it be difficult? Also not trying to be argumentative, just curious. 

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[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Not A Real Name said:

Why would it be difficult? Also not trying to be argumentative, just curious. 

If the Catholic Church on a large scale is going into apostasy it's tough imo to justify trying to convince someone to come into that. 

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[Not A Real Name]

Just now, Josh said:

If the Catholic Church on a large scale is going to go into apostasy it's tough imo to justify trying to convince someone to come into that. 

Yeah, I hear you there, but we must ask God for the grace of the Holy Spirit to touch heart's so they see Christ in the Catholic faith. Once they find Him, they won't let a bunch of Judas' get in the way. 

Also if you want a great book about the end times, then check this one out. 

http://www.amazon.com/Present-World-Mysteries-Future-Life/dp/1933184388

[CatherineM]

Jesus has told us that we can't know the time of the end. He also said that the gates of hell won't prevail against the Church. So he's basically telling us to stop worrying about what we can't know and that we're on the winning side so even when it happens, we'll be okay. 

[Ash Wednesday]

I don't think it's intended for Catholics to be told NOT to read Revelation -- it's just that it's one -- if not the most -- misunderstood books in the bible and it's best read with some scholarly guidance and context.

Is there any pope in recent history who hasn't been called a false prophet or antichrist? It's almost like that's part of the papal job description: "Reports daily to the Vatican. Role will involve saying mass, giving general audiences, writing encyclicals, blessing tourists, kissing babies. Nuns will be on hand to assist in daily household duties around the premises. Expect to be called an antichrist."

[Nihil Obstat]

Yes, there will be an actual, literal Antichrist during the Major Chastisement.

[Peace]

Antichrist?  Come on now. The next thing  you know the Protestants will be trying to convince us that the devil is real. 

[Nihil Obstat]

1 hour ago, Peace said:

Antichrist?  Come on now. The next thing  you know the Protestants will be trying to convince us that the devil is real. 

[Luigi]

Naming any given pope "the antichrist" is the way religious-minded people express their own paranoia. It's the conspiracy theory of the holier-than-thou crowd.

We should turn it into a drinking game (for those of us who drink).

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Luigi said:

Naming any given pope "the antichrist" is the way religious-minded people express their own paranoia. It's the conspiracy theory of the holier-than-thou crowd.

We should turn it into a drinking game (for those of us who drink).

From what I've heard from even Catholics (who I quoted in above post) is that a pope won't be a Antichrist. He will be the false prophet and cause the world to worship the Antichrist.

16 hours ago, CatherineM said:

Jesus has told us that we can't know the time of the end. He also said that the gates of hell won't prevail against the Church. So he's basically telling us to stop worrying about what we can't know and that we're on the winning side so even when it happens, we'll be okay. 

Revelations says that even the elect will be deceived. So it would seem to imply that many people who think they are good Catholics/Christians will be in danger of being deceived.

14 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Yes, there will be an actual, literal Antichrist during the Major Chastisement.

I know you're a busy guy so feel free to ignore this. Do You have any theories on this or opinions? Do you think a pope or antipope will become the false prophet and bring all religions into one and be the agent of the Antichrist?

14 hours ago, Peace said:

Antichrist?  Come on now. The next thing  you know the Protestants will be trying to convince us that the devil is real. 

This is one topic where I feel I've never received satisfactory answers from Catholics. I see how it can become distracting and lead a person to not focus on their walk with Christ and staying in the Sacraments. On the other hand to totally ignore it seems like the wrong approach also. Sometimes I wonder if it's ignored because it's inferred by even Catholics Saints that a Catholic Bishop/pope/antipope will become the false prophet and be the Antichrist's primary agent in deceiving the world. It would seem that if this was openly talked about it would be tough to bring in converts. It also might cause existing Catholics to leave. I don't think that's the answer although this gets really confusing to me.

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[Guest]

15 hours ago, Ash Wednesday said:

Is there any pope in recent history who hasn't been called a false prophet or antichrist? It's almost like that's part of the papal job description: "Reports daily to the Vatican. Role will involve saying mass, giving general audiences, writing encyclicals, blessing tourists, kissing babies. Nuns will be on hand to assist in daily household duties around the premises. Expect to be called an antichrist."

I get what you're saying. Protestants seem to go overboard. My question is have they been "half right" all along? If a final antipope becomes the false prophet and the agent of the Antichrist they will seem to have sorta gotten it right. True not all the Pope's were evil. Most were good. But the devil will use the office of the Papacy to lift up the False Prophet who will in turn deceive the whole world into worshiping the Antichrist.

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