The Beheaded Him

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 19 2004, 02:13 PM'] I find your last point quite interesting as I didn't give much reasoning.  I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Can you please explain? [/quote]
You addressed that to Ryan, but I'll take a stab at it, being that I don't think another Crusade would fit Just War criteria. First off, I don't think a large scale threat is imminent enough to justify going to war. Secondly, I don't think the prospect of winning would be all too great. Some Muslims are still killing people nowadays, after all, so what exactly did we accomplish during the Crusades, and did the accomplishments outweigh the brutalities committed by many of the Crusaders? I'd say no. Plus, there are extreme, militant Muslims. Muslims (not all of whom are violent) make up a large portion of the Middle East. I daresay that if there were another Crusade, it'd be brutal -- and the killings would be widespread. If peace can be maintained, then by God, it should be maintained. If they are not initiating war with us, we should not go to war with them.

God bless,

Jen

[Norseman82]

[quote name='thicke' date='Jun 19 2004, 06:38 AM'] let's make PSPX the "Archie Bunker of Phatmass". [/quote]
Will youse STIFLE????

[Quietfire]

Two points.

1. Not all Muslims can be linked to these persons. I know many Muslims who are equally outraged by these acts. They were so heartbroken after the attacks here in America and many a time, we ended up having to defend them from ignorant people who lumped everyone of them together with the people who hijacked and flew those planes into the World Trade Buildings, Pentagon, and the field in PA. These people are quite beautiful in their faith, and quite terrified by the actions of ignorant people who assume they are just as guilty as those who hijacked the planes, and murdered and are murdering civilians.

2.I would gladly and most respectfully pray for this man, I only wish to know his name. Does anyone even know his name? Let's make this thread important and put his name on it. Ok?


Peace.
and
Charity.

[crusader1234]

1. I totally agree - MOST Muslims are nothing like that

2. Paul Johnson Junior

Edited June 19, 2004 by crusader1234

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 19 2004, 06:57 PM'] 1. I totally agree - MOST Muslims are nothing like that [/quote]
Exactly! I saw this show on TV some time back, and there was a piece about a Muslim woman who lost her husband on 9/11, and he wasn't one of the terrorists.

God bless,

Jen

[Quietfire]

Paul Johnson Junior

Thank you Crusader1234.

I will pray for him, his family, the people who beheaded him, and for us all.

Peace.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Jun 19 2004, 05:42 PM'] You addressed that to Ryan, but I'll take a stab at it, being that I don't think another Crusade would fit Just War criteria. First off, I don't think a large scale threat is imminent enough to justify going to war. Secondly, I don't think the prospect of winning would be all too great. Some Muslims are still killing people nowadays, after all, so what exactly did we accomplish during the Crusades, and did the accomplishments outweigh the brutalities committed by many of the Crusaders? I'd say no. Plus, there are extreme, militant Muslims. Muslims (not all of whom are violent) make up a large portion of the Middle East. I daresay that if there were another Crusade, it'd be brutal -- and the killings would be widespread. If peace can be maintained, then by God, it should be maintained. If they are not initiating war with us, we should not go to war with them.

God bless,

Jen [/quote]
I hate to dig up old posts but I was away for a few days and was not able to respond to this so I will do it now.

First:
You state:"I don't think another Crusade would fit Just War criteria. First off, I don't think a large scale threat is imminent enough to justify going to war."

This would depend on how you define the phrase "large scale threat". Christianity is completely (or mostly) illegal in most of the muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, etc.) Christians are being killed in these places with some regularity. Furthermore, the Muslims are taking over Europe. This is unfortunately because the Christians are too beaver dam stupid and are killing themselves off through abortion and contraception. We could not necessarily justify anything on this issue because it is the fault of European Catholics who are simply not procreating. But the first issue poses a real threat.

Second:
You state:"Secondly, I don't think the prospect of winning would be all too great."

Our chances were not very good at Lepanto either but guess who won. The Rosary can do amazing things.

Third:
You state:" Some Muslims are still killing people nowadays, after all, so what exactly did we accomplish during the Crusades, and did the accomplishments outweigh the brutalities committed by many of the Crusaders?"

Muslims have been killing people since the first day the religion was invented. What we accomplished was certain time periods, crucial in history, that Catholics once again were in control of the Holy Land. Keep in mind as well that not all the Crusades were directed against the Muslims. As far as whether the accomplishments were worth the cost? That depends on which Crusade you are talking about. But I would caution you to not exaggerate the so-called "brutalities". I am not denying that there were some. But it was certainly not common practice, nor did the Church condone it. For instance, the sack of Constantinople was no shining mark on the Crusaders record. It was understandible how they reacted, but not justified. The action was condemned by Pope Leo III. There are several examples of this.

Fourth:
You state: "Plus, there are extreme, militant Muslims. Muslims (not all of whom are violent) make up a large portion of the Middle East. I daresay that if there were another Crusade, it'd be brutal -- and the killings would be widespread."

As I have stated before, I know there are non-violent Muslims. I know and am quite fond of several Muslims. I am not say they are all violent, nor am I suggesting that they should all be knocked off. But be assured that there is nothing peaceful about the Muslim religion itself. Islam is a violent religion. It always has been and always will be. It is not a religion of peace. The terrorists are doing nothing different than Mohammed himself did (except they are doing it with more destructive weapons). I daresay that if there is not another crusade (or something like a mass conversion of Europe) there will be (and already are) widespread killings. Just wait until Muslims have the majority in a few European countries. They will have achieved peacefully what they never were able to do militarily. But make no mistake; there will not be peaceful co-existence. Liberal Islam is becoming less popular. It appears weak and neutered in the public eye.

Finally:
You state: “If peace can be maintained, then by God, it should be maintained. If they are not initiating war with us, we should not go to war with them."

All I can say is, I agree with the first statement, but to the second, I think they are.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jun 19 2004, 02:04 PM'] terrorists- not all muslims but close enough [/quote]
You should read the Quran and Al Bukhari's Al hadeeth, might change ur mind!

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Jun 26 2004, 08:42 AM'] You should read the Quran and Al Bukhari's Al hadeeth, might change ur mind! [/quote]
Interesting reading.

[azaelia]

[quote]But be assured that there is nothing peaceful about the Muslim religion itself. Islam is a violent religion. It always has been and always will be. It is not a religion of peace.[/quote]

Exactly. I completely agree.

[crusader1234]

Azaelia, not to be mean or anything, but do you even know what Ramadan is or are you just saying you agree because thats what media tells you to believe.

[popestpiusx]

The media says the opposite, crusader. Everyone is always harping on the fact that these terrorists are just fundamentalist extremists (so they say, but never define) but Islam itself is such a peace loving religion. It is politically incorrect right now to point out the truth about this religion. It is an evil religion. It is a false religion. And as I said already, it is a violent religion, even if the vast majority of its adherents today are of the liberal persuasion.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 28 2004, 10:36 PM'] The media says the opposite, crusader. Everyone is always harping on the fact that these terrorists are just fundamentalist extremists (so they say, but never define) but Islam itself is such a peace loving religion. It is politically incorrect right now to point out the truth about this religion. It is an evil religion. It is a false religion. And as I said already, it is a violent religion, even if the vast majority of its adherents today are of the liberal persuasion. [/quote]
pius is right, The way Muslims are shown on TV are in positive light compared to 3-4 months after 9/11. Now its saying, they're peace-loving and all, and they are, when their the minority! Once they become the majority, they turn, such an example is Bosnia, and Cyprus. Crypus was taken by the Turks by force in 1974 I believe, they flooded the Island with turks, and now the remaing greeks cant vote them in their own political party, because of their demographic boom by turks.