The Pope decrees that not only men may be chosen for the washing of the feet in the Liturgy of Holy Thursday

[superblue]

8 hours ago, Oremus Pro Invicem said:

Something tells me he will hold fast to his position. 

well it doesn't matter really, because once you put on the internet badge of " church militant " and i am not trying to change their position i am just bored at the moment. ( that is directly in response to you O.P.I )//// ( just a general reply now )>>>>>> if you do not agree with said church militant in any way shape or forum they arbitrarily excommunicate you, notice how he flat out answered my point of it being an OPTION. pretty amesome. I didn't even have to bring up The Mandatum to even point out it is an option and more over; a ritual . An invention not in any way shape or form MANDATED by Christ as in the last supper, " do this in in remembrance of me ".   The church has a funny way of " mandating " things out of the blue and yet can't figure out a way to correct their own mistakes before it becomes such a bloody issue that the pope has to bend over backwards to clarify the entire stupidity of it all.

The entire hope of those is to try and shove into my face time and again every bloody little thing they can and go but but but but look look look look look, church militant  church militant church militant.  Try and get a grasp of what " THE MANDATUM " actually is before you try and thump me with it and act like i specifically said that it does not matter. I am though being very critical of the stupidity of the entire conversation in general and finally a " very holy church militant " proved my point. IF the foot washing was so instrumental and important as everyone wishes it was, it would have never been written down as an OPTION in the first place now would it ? In fact it probably would have never been written down in " THE MANDATUM " , chances are a Pope, and those in the Council of Trent or at least V2 would have beat each others in the head over it before making it a cliff note of a mention in " THE OH SO POWERFUL MANDATUM !! ALL HAIL THE MANDATUM ! ". It is the same bs crying and reading between the lines of the Constitution and Bill of rights that is taking place here and what was then common sense laws, except in this circumstance, we were given 10 commandments and then the church managed to bog people down with convoluted unimportant dribble in what can be considered amendments, of which at least 90 % is beyond unimportant .1% being this topic.

But yeah this is just fun in my spare time, thanks for the exercise.

horrible isn't it, cannon law and mandatums, and rubics, and books stacked to the ceiling in latin, can't for the life of anyone boil things down to practical common sense on one page. An instead the world of the internet can only hope that a brilliant church militant will save the day.

* that is me being rude and sarcastic in part, not mean, just an fyi, so  to those on my iggy list. *

[MarysLittleFlower]

Superblue, I don't understand the whole thing about the tags. I don't think its about that at all. What I was trying to say is that all of liturgy is worship offered to God and that makes it important. For example - the priests entering the sanctuary is not the Consecration, but if someone had liturgical dancing at that time people would be upset - why? Because it would be irreverent in a church and for worship. So every part of the liturgy is important and is part of worship. Also the Church has the authority to declare liturgical norms. Don't separate Christ and the Church. Its His Body. He acts through it and in it. So there's nothing wrong with having more to liturgy than the Consecration alone. All the other parts help us to come to the Consecration. 

[superblue]

5 minutes ago, MarysLittleFlower said:

Superblue, I don't understand the whole thing about the tags. I don't think its about that at all. What I was trying to say is that all of liturgy is worship offered to God and that makes it important. For example - the priests entering the sanctuary is not the Consecration, but if someone had liturgical dancing at that time people would be upset - why? Because it would be irreverent in a church and for worship. So every part of the liturgy is important and is part of worship. Also the Church has the authority to declare liturgical norms. Don't separate Christ and the Church. Its His Body. He acts through it and in it. So there's nothing wrong with having more to liturgy than the Consecration alone. All the other parts help us to come to the Consecration. 

St. Gemma is up there in my fav saints list an i have like only 2 others, an in general i just find that some of the CM tag members are more often than not impossible, so i kind of tended in error to lump yall together an sorry about that.

An now that i think about it, i was super imposing something i had witnessed awhile back and i shouldn't have.

[Oremus Pro Invicem]

1 hour ago, superblue said:

well it doesn't matter really, because once you put on the internet badge of " church militant " and i am not trying to change their position i am just bored at the moment. ( that is directly in response to you O.P.I )//// ( just a general reply now )>>>>>> if you do not agree with said church militant in any way shape or forum they arbitrarily excommunicate you, notice how he flat out answered my point of it being an OPTION. pretty amesome. I didn't even have to bring up The Mandatum to even point out it is an option and more over; a ritual . An invention not in any way shape or form MANDATED by Christ as in the last supper, " do this in in remembrance of me ".   The church has a funny way of " mandating " things out of the blue and yet can't figure out a way to correct their own mistakes before it becomes such a bloody issue that the pope has to bend over backwards to clarify the entire stupidity of it all.

The entire hope of those is to try and shove into my face time and again every bloody little thing they can and go but but but but look look look look look, church militant  church militant church militant.  Try and get a grasp of what " THE MANDATUM " actually is before you try and thump me with it and act like i specifically said that it does not matter. I am though being very critical of the stupidity of the entire conversation in general and finally a " very holy church militant " proved my point. IF the foot washing was so instrumental and important as everyone wishes it was, it would have never been written down as an OPTION in the first place now would it ? In fact it probably would have never been written down in " THE MANDATUM " , chances are a Pope, and those in the Council of Trent or at least V2 would have beat each others in the head over it before making it a cliff note of a mention in " THE OH SO POWERFUL MANDATUM !! ALL HAIL THE MANDATUM ! ". It is the same bs crying and reading between the lines of the Constitution and Bill of rights that is taking place here and what was then common sense laws, except in this circumstance, we were given 10 commandments and then the church managed to bog people down with convoluted unimportant dribble in what can be considered amendments, of which at least 90 % is beyond unimportant .1% being this topic.

But yeah this is just fun in my spare time, thanks for the exercise.

horrible isn't it, cannon law and mandatums, and rubics, and books stacked to the ceiling in latin, can't for the life of anyone boil things down to practical common sense on one page. An instead the world of the internet can only hope that a brilliant church militant will save the day.

* that is me being rude and sarcastic in part, not mean, just an fyi, so  to those on my iggy list. *

My response was to Nihil because he mistakenly called you superglue. 

Sadly no one got the superglue and hold fast joke.

[Nihil Obstat]

3 hours ago, Oremus Pro Invicem said:

My response was to Nihil because he mistakenly called you superglue. 

Sadly no one got the superglue and hold fast joke.

Very clever. I also missed it. Dude is not well though, I am quite serious.

[Benedictus]

On 22/01/2016, 23:05:14, Nihil Obstat said:

Superglue is entirely wrong. The Mandatum is absolutely part of the Liturgy. It is simply an optional part, rather like the people's offering of the sign of peace.

I'd cull that if I could and I don't care. Don't touch me people Maybe we could introduce air waves?

[Gabriela]

I had no idea the sign of peace was optional. Oh how I wish it would just go away!

[Benedictus]

I'd also discourage the holding of hands, or shoulders in some places, during the Our Father prayers. This is something I have to navigate to avoid in the US (I always ignore it, despite grab holds). Very intrusive. Never happens at Mass in Europe, unless I've been lucky.

[Nihil Obstat]

28 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

I had no idea the sign of peace was optional. Oh how I wish it would just go away!

Well the congregation's offering it to each other is optional. Not the celebrant's part.

[Ash Wednesday]

I didn't even know females were banned in the first place. When I was an adolescent, for whatever reason I ended up in the group and got my feet washed at mass once. I think my mom volunteered me for it when the priest and parish asked for volunteers, and I felt very stupid having my feet washed in front of everyone and embarrassed at the idea of any boys at my school seeing my feet like that.

Had I known I would have stomped my foot and told them it wasn't in the rubrics...though I would have been still more concerned about the boys back then all the same and just used that as an exuse. Oh the teenager's mind.

[superblue]

29 minutes ago, Ash Wednesday said:

I didn't even know females were banned in the first place. When I was an adolescent, for whatever reason I ended up in the group and got my feet washed at mass once. I think my mom volunteered me for it when the priest and parish asked for volunteers, and I felt very stupid having my feet washed in front of everyone and embarrassed at the idea of any boys at my school seeing my feet like that.

My tender mind was more concerned about that...if I only knew and could have stamped my foot and told them it wasn't in the rubrics.

Yup it's our tears; should've remembered that one,

and now I just remembered that humanity makes up the Church, not the rubics, not the mandatum ,not cannon law, and sorry for the lapse , wont happen again.

I just can't for the life of me believe that God is as moronic as everyone here over washing feet and the maaaaaaaandatum.

love, peace, and afro grease ya kool aid drinkers.

12 hours ago, Gabriela said:

I had no idea the sign of peace was optional. Oh how I wish it would just go away!

nope nope nope nope, one church militant that is the end all answer to everything on here, two rubics, three mandatum, and four cannon law. I make sure to lick my hand before giving the sign of peace anyhow just for added extra holiness.

[Ash Wednesday]

That awkward moment when you've changed what you've written but it gets quoted.

 

Anyway...

I can understand the objections by some but I'm not particularly bothered by it, myself.

[superblue]

9 minutes ago, Ash Wednesday said:

That awkward moment when you've changed what you've written but it gets quoted.

 

Anyway...

I can understand the objections by some but I'm not particularly bothered by it, myself.

yeah people love to quote anything around here , as it is the end all ah ha gotcha , as if one is not capable of changing his or her mind on anything because once they have made a comment or statement, well that just has to be it forever.

Though since we are now talking about what has been written, we should be thankful that no one in the Church ever wrote down that we as catholics should go on a holy war and kill those who are not apart of the church . Because with the rampant blind mind set here, all the kool aid drinkers would go, well darn it is written down in black and red, so oh well we gota do it, cause that is evidently what God inspired someone to write down in a book long long ago, and he saw fit to have the Israelites form an army and kill non believers in his name, so that was good cause a non biased group of people wrote that it was good, and ipsofacto there we go, no thinking on our own just eat what is being spoon fed and keep moving.

[Oremus Pro Invicem]

I found this blog to express my view on the matter.

http://www.ccwatershed.org/blog/2016/jan/25/pope-francis-change-mandatum-rite/

Anyway, I've personally never seen the mandatum carried out.  Every priest I've had in my life, traditional priests, have omitted it completely.  I'm excited to see if our new parish priest will include it this year.