Medicare for All

[superblue]

I just love how I can't afford Obama care;

but then again free is never free, it always costs someone, somewhere, something.  An different doesn't mean better, if you are going to go by that logic N.A.R.N; then my standards of living are better than yours because mine are different than yours and thusly you should do what I do. We are not living in a Utopia here, everyone wants free Healthcare, yet those same countries rant and cry about how bad off third world countries are and barely do anything to support those countries. Or do not do enough to stop the war lords who steal those supplies from the people it is supposed to go to. Plus we won't have to worry about healthcare when the oil industry runs us into the ground , or when the cattle industry uses up all the water we need to water and feed the cattle we consume.

[Nihil Obstat]

31 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

Out of curiosity, can you elaborate on what things he stands for which are diametrically opposed to the Church?

Abortion would be the elephant in the room. Euthanasia. Gay marriage. The whole contraception issue will surely get worse if he has a say in it. His socialism in and of itself is an issue, as the Church has always condemned socialism as fundamentally incompatible with Catholic social teaching.

You watch as the euthanasia debate really kicks into high gear in Canada. Listen to the rhetoric, see who falls on which side. The writing will be on the wall for the US, because just like gay marriage, sooner or later the debate will come up on a national scale.

[PhuturePriest]

16 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Abortion would be the elephant in the room. Euthanasia. Gay marriage. The whole contraception issue will surely get worse if he has a say in it. His socialism in and of itself is an issue, as the Church has always condemned socialism as fundamentally incompatible with Catholic social teaching.

You watch as the euthanasia debate really kicks into high gear in Canada. Listen to the rhetoric, see who falls on which side. The writing will be on the wall for the US, because just like gay marriage, sooner or later the debate will come up on a national scale.

The thing is, when it comes to social issues, I really don't think at this point it matters who you vote for. None of them care about it and will oppose such laws if they land on their desks. 

When it comes to socialism, Bernie identifies as one, but as far as I'm aware he has never actually advocated for the true definition of socialism, i.e., government or social control over the market. 

[dairygirl4u2c]

It is not primarily that they have better nutrition

 

They regulate health prices and cut out the insurance middleman    . these r cited as the reasons for saving hundreds of billions

[Nihil Obstat]

27 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

The thing is, when it comes to social issues, I really don't think at this point it matters who you vote for. None of them care about it and will oppose such laws if they land on their desks. 

When it comes to socialism, Bernie identifies as one, but as far as I'm aware he has never actually advocated for the true definition of socialism, i.e., government or social control over the market. 

I think you are being force fed the koolaid if you actually think that Sanders' social positions are the same in practice as Rubio, for instance. That is a dangerous deception that will perpetuate the status quo, which is a continuing slide into decadence and hedonism. Bernie Sanders believes in doctrine fit only for swine. Nothing more.

Catholics must stand up after all these years and refuse to continue to relegate Christ the King to a single day of the year commemorated behind closed doors.

[PhuturePriest]

1 minute ago, Nihil Obstat said:

I think you are being force fed the koolaid if you actually think that Sanders' social positions are the same in practice as Rubio, for instance. That is a dangerous deception that will perpetuate the status quo, which is a continuing slide into decadence and hedonism. Bernie Sanders believes in doctrine fit only for swine. Nothing more.

Catholics must stand up after all these years and refuse to continue to relegate Christ the King to a single day of the year commemorated behind closed doors.

Marco Rubio and Bernie Sanders have vastly different solutions to problems, so I don't see how lack of evidence that Sanders supports the socialization and government control of the market means he and Rubio are the same.

[Nihil Obstat]

6 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

Marco Rubio and Bernie Sanders have vastly different solutions to problems, so I don't see how lack of evidence that Sanders supports the socialization and government control of the market means he and Rubio are the same.

Wat.

[StMichael]

On January 19, 2016 at 7:25:16 AM, dairygirl4u2c said:

single payer has plenty of evidences with other countries, obamacare had nothing to support it. 

Then why do they all run to the US for treatment?

This is a DMV approach to so-called care. It squashes innovation and competition which is what made America the greatest nation on earth. 

Just say no to anti-American Communism/ Marxism/ Socialism. 

[PhuturePriest]

1 hour ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Wat.

I didn't see "social positions" and just read "positions".

Anyway, at this point I just really don't think any candidate cares about social issues. They simply care about saying what the people want to hear. Do you honestly think Marco Rubio will make an actual effort to repeal Roe or gay marriage legalization? All any candidate has spoken about are economics and immigration.

[Nihil Obstat]

19 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

I didn't see "social positions" and just read "positions".

Anyway, at this point I just really don't think any candidate cares about social issues. They simply care about saying what the people want to hear. Do you honestly think Marco Rubio will make an actual effort to repeal Roe or gay marriage legalization? All any candidate has spoken about are economics and immigration.

If we want any chance whatsoever on making progress on social issues, it certainly will not happen with a Bernie Sanders in Washington. It has to be a process, sure to be a long one, but while any real progress we make towards promoting the Kingship of Christ is guaranteed to be slow and incremental, it is infinitely better than, as I called it above, a continuing slide into decadence and hedonism, which necessarily must accelerate under Bernie Sanders.

That was a brutal run-on sentence, and I apologize most sincerely to those who get wound up at such things.

[PhuturePriest]

21 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said:

If we want any chance whatsoever on making progress on social issues, it certainly will not happen with a Bernie Sanders in Washington. It has to be a process, sure to be a long one, but while any real progress we make towards promoting the Kingship of Christ is guaranteed to be slow and incremental, it is infinitely better than, as I called it above, a continuing slide into decadence and hedonism, which necessarily must accelerate under Bernie Sanders.

That was a brutal run-on sentence, and I apologize most sincerely to those who get wound up at such things.

I, for one, cannot forgive you.

[Nihil Obstat]

1 minute ago, PhuturePriest said:

I, for one, cannot forgive you.

You will, though.

[PhuturePriest]

1 minute ago, Nihil Obstat said:

You will, though.

I, for one, welcome our new amphibian overlord.

[Anomaly]

3 hours ago, dairygirl4u2c said:

It is not primarily that they have better nutrition

 

They regulate health prices and cut out the insurance middleman    . these r cited as the reasons for saving hundreds of billions

My wife's family lives in the UK.   The young like it and the old hate it.   They save billions by limiting access and regulating the dispensing of services.   Sure you may get a free heart transplant if you're under 60 and otherwise optimal health, but have a cancer and be over 70 and you face a wait of months for each oncologist appointment.    Be in a "stressed" area like In the North and you cannot get the same medicines for Parkinson's they give in Surrey.  Much of what is given in and to whom, is decided by politicians and bureaucrats, not doctors and it is NOT the equitable distribution we fantasize it is.  

They constantly have issues similar to how the US runs the VA.   Long waits, lost paperwork, poorly run clinics with sorry administrators that just get transferred.  

Giving further control to the US Government is asinine.  You think we will get a Walmart deal, but we will pay Waitrose prices for flea market quality. You already know which few will get the best, will make the money, while the working class pays for it and the welfare class is duped into giving votes for practically nothing while their plight is "championed" by politicians who are bright enough to be in the good side of the deal.  

[Nihil Obstat]

I should have mentioned above: while it is clear that the American healthcare system is broken and ineffective, most and perhaps all healthcare schemes across the world have serious and un-addressed flaws. The US is more flawed certainly, but even what are held up as the best systems in the world, typically Singaporean, French, Japanese, etc., still have major issues. While there are many proposed solutions, most of those solutions have been tried in other places or at other times, and all have downsides of there own.
Basically, healthcare everywhere is broken (most especially the US), and nobody really knows for sure how it should be, or even if it can be fixed.