Iacobus Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Couldn't they just ask an other priest about it before going to EWTN. I mean EWTN doesn't have to respond fast. But a priest would try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Jun 17 2004, 08:19 PM'] Hehe...another reason to go visit them. [/quote] Plus you would get another Cake. Hehe. A taco flavored cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote] Couldn't they just ask an other priest about it before going to EWTN. I mean EWTN doesn't have to respond fast. But a priest would try. [/quote] Yeah, but here's the thing. I know a LOT of priests. I mean a LOT. Very few of them are experts, especially on matters of theology and canon law. EWTN is...well...expert. If you need an immediate answer, though...Fr. Levis works at Gannon University...I've emailed him privately before...hehe...but that may annoy him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I can't begin to imagine what you and Teresa are feeling right now. You're both in my prayers..... And as a word of encouragement (hopefully!) from an 'outsiders' point of view, your marriage has always seemed to be really blessed so it's going to be truely incredible when it is blessed as a Sacrament within the church..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 17 2004, 08:16 PM'] Worst case you have to get married again. Not horrid. [/quote] No, it's not horrible... but, if it was me (and I thank God it's not), I would be frustrated just as Adam and Teresa are right now. I, too, would be thinking the way Adam is about second guessing it. And this is why: In their minds and hearts they were good Baptists, good Christians who wanted nothing more than to honor God with their lives on the day they were married. They made vows before God and their friends and family. It was a holy day in their minds. And if they had not been baptized as Catholics, it would be fine and dandy and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since they were, the Church is putting what appears to be a big, black mark on that very special day. That's hard to hear. It's kinda like a slap in the face. I am not trying to speak for Teresa and Adam, but this is what I would be feeling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote]No, it's not horrible... but, if it was me (and I thank God it's not), I would be frustrated just as Adam and Teresa are right now.[/quote] So would I. It would be greatly frustrating and I can't blame them for being upset. I do believe the Church is correct, though. :ph34r: But I'm not certain that the laws apply in this case (see above posts)...but then, I'm no expert on these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jun 17 2004, 08:25 PM'] No, it's not horrible... but, if it was me (and I thank God it's not), I would be frustrated just as Adam and Teresa are right now. I, too, would be thinking the way Adam is about second guessing it. And this is why: In their minds and hearts they were good Baptists, good Christians who wanted nothing more than to honor God with their lives on the day they were married. They made vows before God and their friends and family. It was a holy day in their minds. And if they had not been baptized as Catholics, it would be fine and dandy and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But since they were, the Church is putting what appears to be a big, black mark on that very special day. That's hard to hear. It's kinda like a slap in the face. I am not trying to speak for Teresa and Adam, but this is what I would be feeling... [/quote] Yeh I agree. But it could be a lot worse. I am praying that they aren't made to remarry that seems kinda funny to me but maybe they will. But it wouldn't be that bad, I think I have never been married I don't know what it is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Jun 17 2004, 08:28 PM'] I do believe the Church is correct, though. :ph34r: [/quote] I'm not saying the Church is not correct. But it is normal and human to feel frustration about these things. As a cradle Catholic, you might not understand how frustrating some of these things are for us. And I'm not saying Adam and Teresa won't or shouldn't be confirmed... of course, they should. But I for one would be a little bit concerned if they'd come home after hearing this news and posted that they were getting married and whoo-hoo... party everyone... and were all excited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote] I'm not saying the Church is not correct. [/quote] Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. For the record, I wasn't saying HSmom was wrong about anything. I agree completely with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I kinda think they'd maybe feel differently if they'd been married in a civil ceremony and not a church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DojoGrant Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 A few things: Brother Adam never left the Church as such. He was taken out as a child, and honoring his mother, he went with her. He made no conscious decision to leave. Furthermore, he had no knowledge whatsoever of the obligation of the rite necessary for sacramental marriage. Second of all, Brother Adam and Teresa's marriage is civilly valid. They cannot be remarried civilly, for that is already done and cannot be repeated lest they receive a civil divorce first. I don't think it's fair to refer to Brother Adam as a deserter of the Church, thus rejecting the requirements for a valid sacramental marriage. And two Protestants (unknowing of the requirements set forth in the Latin/Eastern rites) who are married before the Lord receive a Sacramental marriage, am I not right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I trust the Church on this, of course, but I also agree with HSMom. I know if I were in this situation I would be SO angry right now. But, in a poor attempt at cheering you guys up, I will follow another of HSMom's leads.... can we say "second honeymoon"? :wub: More prayers for you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I kinda think they'd maybe feel differently if they'd been married in a civil ceremony and not a church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote]But I'm not certain that the laws apply in this case (see above posts)...but then, I'm no expert on these issues. [/quote] The question is were either of them baptised as a Catholic? From 'Catholicism for Dummies': [quote]A convalidation ceremony is needed when a Catholic couple gets married in a civil or non-Catholic ceremony, which makes it an invalid marriage in the eyes of the Church.......If a Catholic gets married by a Justice of the Peace, a captain on a ship, a mayor or a Protestant minister, and hasn't obtained a dispensation from the local Catholic bishop, then that marriage is invalid........This situation often happens when a nonpractising Catholic doesn't realise that a non Catholic minister can still marry the couple in a non Catholic ceremony with the Catholic Church's blessing as long as the couple meets with a priest or deacon and still fulfills all the same Pre-Cana preparations as everyone else.......[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DojoGrant Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 (edited) Double post, sorry! Edited June 18, 2004 by DojoGrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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