Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) What's their deal? Edited December 6, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 seda vacantist maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 No not this one guy. He claims to be Catholic. Isn't that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Attributing to Satan what is of the Holy Spirit? The only unforgivable sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Having reservations about some statements and action of the Holy Father, and even going so far as disliking him, is completely allowed, and there is nothing wrong with it so long as you have justified reasons. For instance, if Pope Alexander were alive today, I certainly would dislike him and would not pretend he were perfect in the public. Statements and actions of popes being objectively wrong is not by any means new under the sun. We have had hundreds of popes now, and not all have been doctrinally white as snow, and not all have been the best decision makers. For instance, it is argued that the entire Reformation could have been avoided (or at least significantly lessened) had the Pope given more attention to it. Hindsight is always 20/20. Personally, I dislike calling clergymen out for statements and actions unless it is grievously necessary. I'm more of the mind of Saint Thomas More: Keep quiet unless absolutely necessary (or I am that way now, anyways.) However, there is nothing morally or theologically wrong with openly disagreeing with any pope's actions or statements, or saying and providing proof that they are, quite frankly, opposed to official Church teaching, which has certainly happened in the past. It is not wrong, blasphemous, or immoral in any way. In fact, it can even sometimes be a duty. When that time comes is up for interpretation, but you can be assured if any pope pinches incense to the gods to avoid martyrdom (as one early pope did, who was then kicked off the Chair of Peter, repented, was re-elected because of his sincere repentance, and then bravely faced martyrdom,) I will certainly say something public, and I will be justified in saying so. Thankfully we haven't reached that point yet. But sometimes loving and respecting the Holy Father means loving and respecting him too much to let his heresy go unchallenged. Some people feel Pope Francis has said heretical things, and they feel obliged to speak up. Edited December 6, 2015 by PhuturePriest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'm not sure. I've always been confused on what constitutes that. It's a serious sin, though. Constructive criticism of our Church leaders is okay. But to go all out and come to an unfounded conclusion that the Pope is not supposed to be the Pope??? I'm sure this guy has a large audience too. Who wants to lead souls astray like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Just now, dominicansoul said: I'm not sure. I've always been confused on what constitutes that. It's a serious sin, though. Constructive criticism of our Church leaders is okay. But to go all out and come to an unfounded conclusion that the Pope is not supposed to be the Pope??? I'm sure this guy has a large audience too. Who wants to lead souls astray like that? Clearly Pope Francis is still the Holy Father. Sedevacantists are wrong, and that's the simple matter of it. I was responding to Josh's statement that questioning the Holy Father and disagreeing with him is blasphemous and against the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 sorry, you posted too fast, I was actually responding to Josh's question about it being a sin against the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Getting kind of tired of this carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 People often have these ideals and visions about what the Church should be -- some just take it to the extreme of doubting the legitimacy of the pope, or the papacy itself when the Church doesn't match their personal vision. But when someone cuts themselves off from the vine that is the Church, there is just confusion and chaos similar to Protestantism, and you end up with a number of self-proclaimed popes scattered throughout rural America. I've even read of some people online who think Benedict XVI is still the real pope. It's just nonsense. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a particular sin that is the willful rejection of his grace and forgiveness. http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=25726 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bardegaulois Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 17 hours ago, Josh said: What's their deal? The attitude of such persons is often, "I'm more Catholic than you." However, often in criticism of them, others can take on the same attitude as well. I'm certainly of the mind that no church leader, not even the Pope, is above criticism, and I have my share of criticisms of Pope Francis. However, whether one is criticising or defending the Pope, the above attitude sours everything they are saying, and ought to be avoided, as difficult as that is at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) From a Catholics Facebook page : 1st comment : I wish he'd devour the pope. Reply : Why bother? He's already inside. Edited December 9, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) The Feast of Nemo Edited December 9, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bardegaulois Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 The use of St Peter's Basilica for this "climate change" display really skirts sacrilege, if you ask me. Again, I was talking about valid criticisms of Pope Francis; would St John Paul II ever have allowed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Just now, bardegaulois said: The use of St Peter's Basilica for this "climate change" display really skirts sacrilege, if you ask me. Again, I was talking about valid criticisms of Pope Francis; would St John Paul II ever have allowed this? I didn't even realize they did this until I saw another post from some media outlet. Then put 2 and 2 together. This has to do with Climate Change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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