Maximilianus Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) Edited December 4, 2015 by Maximilianus Poster's remorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Pope is protected by one of the world's smallest but most well armed armies. The Holy See has bought and owns many firearms. Being a believer in the right to bear arms is in the same realm of believing in the use of capital punishment. Catholics are free to disagree. Unless we wish to make ourselves into God we should not pass judgement on those that do not agree with our position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 it depends on which end of the gun your looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Is knife ownership sinful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Pope himself called for global action to stop ISIS. He said we SHOULD do everything even *gasp* using weapons to stop ISIS! T H E H O R R O R!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 10 hours ago, Ice_nine said: Yes it is a sin. It's one of the worst ones because it's a sin everyone here thinks is OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximilianus Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, KnightofChrist said: The Pope is protected by one of the world's smallest but most well armed armies. The Holy See has bought and owns many firearms. Being a believer in the right to bear arms is in the same realm of believing in the use of capital punishment. Catholics are free to disagree. Unless we wish to make ourselves into God we should not pass judgement on those that do not agree with our position. I had posted something similar but edited it because no matter how I revised it, it came off as critical of the Pope, but I have to ask, because Pope Francis speaks pretty generally. It seems to me that he is perhaps meaning arms dealers and manufacturers that sell to dictators, criminals, terrorists and rogue nations. There are many people that own arms made by Heckler and Koch, Beretta, Glock and Sig Sauer which are the same manufacturers that are in the Swiss Guard and the Gendarmerie Corps' arsenal. Are they sinning? Edited December 4, 2015 by Maximilianus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Christians love their guns. BANG BANG ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) 19 hours ago, jeffboom said: I've been thinking about this for a long time. Is it sinful to own firearms? The answer is no. The Church teaches that defense of persons and of society, that is both individual persons and also those who legitimately hold authority in government, can use firearms to repeal an unjust aggressor. I hate that I can't rap quotes in quotes anymore but oh well here is the evidence for it. ===== CCC - Legitimate defense 2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.66 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility. ===== Compendium of the CCC 467. Why is the legitimate defense of persons and of society not opposed to this norm? 2263-2265 Because in choosing to legitimately defend oneself one is respecting the right to life (either one’s own right to life or that of another) and not choosing to kill. Indeed, for someone responsible for the life of another, legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty, provided only that disproportionate force is not used. ==== Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace "In a world marked by evil ... the right of legitimate defense by means of arms exists. This right can become a serious duty for those who are responsible for the lives of others, for the common good of the family or of the civil community. This right alone can justify the possession or transfer of arms." Edited December 4, 2015 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 hour ago, Maximilianus said: Are they sinning? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 7 minutes ago, Ice_nine said: Yes No, pretend God, no. Unless you're playing the troll in this thread, then you're being a good one at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 2 hours ago, Josh said: Christians love their guns. BANG BANG ! We sure do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yep the Gun Cult is sad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 not as sad as the liberal cult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Both very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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