What Are Your Thoughts On This Meme?

[Peace]

Just now, Cam42 said:

There is a fly in the ointment; hence the hypothetical.  The answer is nonsense.  Literally, because there is no circumstance in which the outcome you list is the case.  It's called a Genetic fallacy.

1) I am not sure how I have committed a genetic fallacy when I have not drawn or suggested any conclusions.

2) A hypothetical situation does not have to be capable of existing in reality in order for it to be answered, or in order for it to generate valuable discussion. Many philosophers and moral theologians pose hypothetical situations that do not exist.

3) The hypothetical is certainly possible. Let's say that Marco Rubio is elected. That does not mean that he will be able to put a judge on the court that will reverse Roe v. Wade. The fact that he is opposed to abortion does not mean that he will be able to do anything about it. Let's say that Marco Rubio is against mandatory paid leave for new mothers, and vetoes a law that attempts to mandate it. That might result in someone choosing to have an abortion who might otherwise not have. There are plenty of Republican candidates (if not most) who oppose mandatory paid leave for new mothers. The hypothetical is very much capable of being true.

[SaintOfVirtue]

On 11/24/2015, 11:08:50, Josh said:

Logical fallacy: argument from analogy.

[Ice_nine]

8 minutes ago, SaintOfVirtue said:

Logical fallacy: argument from analogy.

That's a logical fallacy?

 

[SaintOfVirtue]

15 minutes ago, Ice_nine said:

That's a logical fallacy?

 

Yup.

[Ice_nine]

Just now, SaintOfVirtue said:

Yup.

Want to elaborate? I'm stupid and I don't get it.

[Peace]

2 minutes ago, SaintOfVirtue said:

Yup.

Proof?

[SaintOfVirtue]

"Argument from Analogy" is one of a genus of informal fallacies whereby two items are shown to have some similarity and on the basis of that single similarity other qualities are inferred or implied from one onto the other.

For example:
Item X and item Y both have A
Item X also has B
Therefore item Y must also have B

Another form is:
X is similar to Y
X has A
Therefore Y has A

[Peace]

10 minutes ago, SaintOfVirtue said:

"Argument from Analogy" is one of a genus of informal fallacies whereby two items are shown to have some similarity and on the basis of that single similarity other qualities are inferred or implied from one onto the other.

For example:
Item X and item Y both have A
Item X also has B
Therefore item Y must also have B

Another form is:
X is similar to Y
X has A
Therefore Y has A

That makes sense I think. Thanks. Does the photograph posted above fit into that pattern? It seems to be a little different.

[Gabriela]

I don't think the meme is saying Christians are like ISIS or that our Republican candidates are like ISIS. I think its central point is that you can't judge a religion by a few of its purported members.

Which is true for any religion, hence the meme makes a valid point.

It uses the Republican candidates because the author assumed that, in order to get across the point about ISIS not representing Islam as a religion, s/he had to pick some other religion the (presumably American) audience could identify with. Hence the choice of purported Christians whom many Americans would argue are not very Christian.

I fail to see how you conclude anything else from this meme unless your political panties are already in a bunch.

[SaintOfVirtue]

25 minutes ago, Peace said:

That makes sense I think. Thanks. Does the photograph posted above fit into that pattern? It seems to be a little different.

I'm actually still trying to deconstruct the meme into such a syllogism, but it may have too many terms for that.

2 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

I don't think the meme is saying Christians are like ISIS or that our Republican candidates are like ISIS. I think its central point is that you can't judge a religion by a few of its purported members.

Which is true for any religion, hence the meme makes a valid point.

It uses the Republican candidates because the author assumed that, in order to get across the point about ISIS not representing Islam as a religion, s/he had to pick some other religion the (presumably American) audience could identify with. Hence the choice of purported Christians whom many Americans would argue are not very Christian.

I fail to see how you conclude anything else from this meme unless your political panties are already in a bunch.

I thought it was nodding to the socio-political debate on whether members of ISIS should be called "Radical/Militant Islamists" while paying lip-service to the liberal idea that to do so would be to label all muslims "Radical/Militant islamists".  The ideas are not expressed directly but I think they are in the sub-tones.  As for the use of the republican figure heads I think that choice was mostly a jab at their respective supporters.

[Gabriela]

4 minutes ago, SaintOfVirtue said:

I'm actually still trying to deconstruct the meme into such a syllogism, but it may have too many terms for that.

I thought it was nodding to the socio-political debate on whether members of ISIS should be called "Radical/Militant Islamists" while paying lip-service to the liberal idea that to do so would be to label all muslims "Radical/Militant islamists".  The ideas are not expressed directly but I think they are in the sub-tones.  As for the use of the republican figure heads I think that choice was mostly a jab at their respective supporters.

My understanding is that you don't have to attach the qualifiers "radical" or "militant" to the word "Islamist" for there to be implications of terrorist or other extreme activity or belief. "Islamist" is NOT "Muslim". It's a particular view of who Muslims should be in the world, particularly as regards their relationships to non-Muslims.

It's therefore silly to assume (and I'm not saying you do, but the liberals you refer to might, or the opponents they're countering—getting complicated) that referring to ISIS as "[insert any qualifier whatever] Islamists" is to conflate them with all Muslims. If we were really talking about all Muslims, we'd call them Muslims, not Islamists.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Gabriela

[SaintOfVirtue]

Agreed.

[Peace]

38 minutes ago, Gabriela said:

I don't think the meme is saying Christians are like ISIS or that our Republican candidates are like ISIS. I think its central point is that you can't judge a religion by a few of its purported members.

Which is true for any religion, hence the meme makes a valid point.

I think you are correct. That was the main point of it. On the other hand, many Democrats also claim to be Christian, so I can understand how someone who is more conservative could be annoyed by the fact that only Republicans are shown in the photo.

One might think that the reason why only Republicans were chosen is because the GOP, as part of its political strategy, attempts to position or characterize itself as "the Party of Christianity".

[Gabriela]

13 minutes ago, Peace said:

One might think that the reason why only Republicans were chosen is because the GOP, as part of its political strategy, attempts to position or characterize itself as "the Party of Christianity".

Exactly.

[Ash Wednesday]

The meme would come across as being less politically charged if they used the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church as "Christian" examples instead.