Era Might Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If a 5 or 8 year old can commit mortal sin, can they freely consent to sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Visions are not necessary. You'll notice that they tend to be pretty wrathful. If an 8 year old died in mortal sin than yes according to our doctrine she would be in hell, but from what we understand of child development, it's pretty challenging for an 8 year to actually commit a mortal sin. Children oftentimes "sin" because they are imitating bad adults and don't really know better, or their brains are not formed enough to truly be choosing to be bad. Remember that to be mortal it has to be a free conscious fully informed CHOICE, not an impulse. Many of these visions come from a time before we understood as well the human brain. i remember really serious and chosen sins from my childhood. And I knew those things were bad and remember choosing them while I felt something was trying to stop me. There's a reason they start Confession in grade 2.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @Jamie I'm not even trying to study it. I just see Catholics write stuff like this and it's almost comical. It pushes me towards becoming Protestant. Because stuff in that video is not the Gospel of Christ. 5 year olds in hell is not the message of Christ. That I have to even say that is pathetic. That a Saint and Doctor of the Church is arguing for that seriously makes me stop and think are all these Protestants right? Is there a problem with Catholicism? It's funny lately all these Catholics in my news feed are going on and on about Pope Francis and how it's the Apostate Church now all this junk. So I have had to hear this from Protestants all this time. But now Catholics are saying it as well. I want to remain Catholic and trust in Jesus to forgive my sins. But i come to Phatmass and their posting videos of Saints and Doctors of the Church saying Jesus won't forgive me after so many sins. Hmmmm..... Just so you know, Protestants believe that anyone who does not accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour, including those who die as children, are separated from Him for all eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I agree Josh, personally I don't think we would find any children in hell, and there is even reason to hope it is entirely empty (besides the devil). We don't know who is in hell but... Our Lord says the way there is wide and well trodden. He also mentioned souls going there, in the Gospels. Its extremely unlikely that every single person ever has repented of every sin at death. That is actually a rare miraculous grace and most die how they live. That is why we must pray for the dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I agree that this sounds ludicrous. But, Josh, I encourage you to dive into prayer, the Scriptures, and the Catechism to refresh your soul and remind yourself why you adore Catholicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) My problem with what you are saying Josh is that you make it sound like if this is true then God "isn't loving". I described why that isn't so. If God sends an 8 y/o girl to burn in hell for all of eternity for taking His name in vain once then yes God is not loving. If that's your idea of loving then I don't know what to tell you. I pray to Jesus. I pray to Mary. I know what forgiveness and grace is. I know what God's love and mercy is. Here's a hint. It's not 8 year old girls tortured forever in hell for taking his name in vain once in the 2nd grade then unexpectedly dying before making it to confession. Perhaps you can tune into a new episode of the Vortex and they will preach about that kind of "love". As for me I'll pass on the fear mongering and brainwashing. Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 O five years old wonderful lol Great video. So now God is going to stop forgiving after so many sins also. I might actually have to look into becoming Protestant. That part is referring to unrepentance. I checked with my priest. Before you become Protestant why not research the context and proper understanding of things that are puzzling? Every single question I've had on the Church was answered though i used to be an anti Catholic Protestant who evangelised Catholics. If it even made sense to me I'm sure it would make sense to a Catholic if you look up more detail on these topics, rather than making such conclusions. This story about the girl makes one see the seriousness of sin. That God would still die for us! And again its not like lost souls want God. He is standing there saying with arms outstretched "Come to Me" and the soul REFUSES. THAT is mortal sin.. What it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I agree that this sounds ludicrous. But, Josh, I encourage you to dive into prayer, the Scriptures, and the Catechism to refresh your soul and remind yourself why you adore Catholicism. Great advice. Thanks and God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If God sends an 8 y/o girl to burn in hell for all of eternity for taking His name in vain once then yes God is not loving. If that's your idea of loving then I don't know what to tell you. I pray to Jesus. I pray to Mary. I know what forgiveness and grace is. I know what God's love and mercy is. Here's a hint. It's not 8 year old girls tortured forever in hell for taking his name in vain once in the 2nd grade then unexpectedly dying before making it to confession. Perhaps you can turn into a new episode of the Vortex and they will preach about that kind of "love". As for me I'll pass on the fear mongering and brainwashing Why do you keep speaking of this soul as someone who was sorry and wanted Confession and wanted God? A soul in hell said no to repentance and Confession. A person who wants Confession desperately may obtain perfect contrition. I don't think you are interpreting this story correctly. You have a very rosy view of such a person. If they are in hell they did not correspond with grace to get to Confession or have perfect contrition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @MarysLittleFlower I'm not going to become Protestant. I'm just calling out the brainwashing and fear mongering for what it is. And that video is not talking about unrepentance. It's talking about God not forgiving even as little as 4 sins for some people. lol Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) By the way I asked my priest about the maximum number of sins thing. He said its not like how it sounds, from my understanding its related to unrepentance. Like hardening yourself so much you don't want to repent any more and stop responding. Its something the soul causes not God refusing to pardon a repentant soul. My priest is very orthodox and traditional and he said its NOT about God refusing to pardon. He doesn't refuse. @MarysLittleFlower I'm not going to become Protestant. I'm just calling out the brainwashing and fear mongering for what it is. And that video is not talking about unrepentance. It's talking about God not forgiving even as little as 4 sins for some people. lol Hilarious Take a look at my last post. My priest explained it to me and he's a traditional priest so even trads don't interpret it like how it sounds like without context. I was afraid at first but that's not what its saying I think. I think its about hardening oneself to repentance. God doesnt reject repentance... Edited November 5, 2015 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Just so you know, Protestants believe that anyone who does not accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour, including those who die as children, are separated from Him for all eternity. Yeah that is a bunch of b.s. Maybe I will become Mormon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 There's a private revelation to a mystic that everyone in hell chose it. Its approved I believe. So if we start from that concept everything makes more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 5 year olds don't choose hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah that is a bunch of b.s. Maybe I will become Mormon. and they believe that Heaven is another planet and other such things. St Peter was right - where shall we go? Jesus has the words of eternal life. Really only Catholicism makes sense when you put the pieces together. Sometimes we miss certain pieces that make others seem unclear. I'm taking an adult catechism class with my parish and its very good. The more I learn there the more it all fits together and actually makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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