Credo in Deum Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 O five years old wonderful lol Matthew 5:22 "...and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." --Jesus What's your position on the punishment Adam received for his "small" sin? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @Josh - remember that we aren't bound by private revelation, so if looking at those bothers you, don't do it. Catholic teaching is that even 1 unrepented mortal sin is enough for us to send ourselves to Hell, because we have knowingly separated ourselves from God then. Mortal sin requires that we know it's mortal sin and choose to do it anyway. Have you ever read all of the Chronicles of Narnia? The later chapters of The Last Battle are some of my favourite chapters and ways of thinking of about Heaven and Hell. In it, the bad dwarves can't be brought into paradise because they won't allow it. Aslan can't force them to come. Anyway, prayers for you, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) @Archaeology cat I understand mortal sin completely. So what's up with the video saying God stops forgiving after so many sins? What kind of junk is that? lol People are so self righteous and think they have it all together. I know Jesus. I have my doubts about someone who causes despair by saying God will stop forgiving you or that 5 year olds are in hell. I question if these people know Jesus. Brainwashing is evil. Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Indeed. Therefore if one wants to claim that a child who has completed her seventh year has not attained the use of reason, then the burden of proof is on that person to show otherwise. I wonder if you can show where the Catholic Church teaches that 7 is the cutoff for the age of reason. The link you provided is for the relevant canon law, which provides a legal background but not a theological one. As with all laws concerning age the choice of a specific age is necessary for the purpose of the law but it is relatively arbitrary. A good example is the age of majority which the canon says is at 18. In different times adulthood was fixed earlier or later. There is nothing divinely revealed about the age of 18. One does not magically acquire the capacity to commit mortal sin when the clock strikes midnight on your 8th birthday. So can you show me where the Church teaches a specific age as a divine truth? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I know an eight year old who is very capable of committing a mortal sin, with clear reason, knowledge and intent. She's already attempted a murder. Knows right from wrong, but doesn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @Archaeology cat I understand mortal sin completely. So what's up with the video saying God stops forgiving after so many sins? What kind of junk is that? lol People are so self righteous and think they have it all together. I know Jesus. I have my doubts about someone who causes despair by saying God will stop forgiving you or that 5 year olds are in hell. I question if these people know Jesus. Brainwashing is evil. That's kinda what I was getting at with private revelation not being binding. To my knowledge, God doesn't stop forgiving if we seek him, so don't worry about someone saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) @Archaeology cat I understand mortal sin completely. So what's up with the video saying God stops forgiving after so many sins? What kind of junk is that? lol People are so self righteous and think they have it all together. I know Jesus. I have my doubts about someone who causes despair by saying God will stop forgiving you or that 5 year olds are in hell. I question if these people know Jesus. Brainwashing is evil. That someone is a saint and Doctor of the Church. This doesn't not mean they are infallible, but they are worthy of our consideration and they can be said to know Jesus! In fact they are with Him right now in heaven. But if you want to ignore their instruction because you believe you know better than them then good luck to you, Josh. Edited November 5, 2015 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) So you believe Jesus stops forgiving after so many times? Why should I take anyone serious who preaches that? That's not the Gospel. That's fear mongering and brainwashing. No thanks. If I have to agree that's the message of Christ to be Catholic count me out. I will become Protestant. Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) So you're fine with 8 year old girls suffering for eternity in hell? The sound of that doesn't give you any pause? do you think that God is "fine with it"? Its not like He wants it. Any soul in hell cost Our Lord infinitely more pain that it causes us thinking about it. I think to be honest that is what you are missing.Comments like "i'd rather be an atheist..." can lead to "I know better than God what goodness is". Dont we need to understand His goodness? Hell doesnt lessen His goodness in any way. He suffered seeing the final choice of any soul much more than what we feel thinking about it. A venial sin is already an infinite offense. I recall reading of a Saint who almost died seeing the reality and gravity of a VENIAL sin. God doesn't "owe" us anything. The fact that He allows us to even live after we offend Him *infinitely* is already mercy. Then think of what He did.. Let His creation kill Him TO save them. Before the Cross any complaints as if God isn't loving, fade away. People in hell chose it. One mortal sin is a choice. I think Our Lord feels more pain over a lost soul than its even possible for you or I and all His judgements are just. I'd recommend meditating on the Passion... Edited November 5, 2015 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I think you're getting hung up Josh. First of all, no Catholic is required to accept a vision offered. If you were to say you don't believe in the visions at Lourdes, you are entitled. Whether it be by a saint or anyone else. No one is requiring you to do so. And I would strongly STRONGLY suggest that you spend zero time focusing on Hell, Satan visions of Hell, etc. Not every aspect of study is appropriate for everybody. From reading your posts over the years, I really don't think this is the area you want to spend your energy. I think learning through the saints about redemption, conversion and grace would be a better use of your time. there's a book called Saints Behaving Badly that Red turned me on to. It's fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @MarysLittleFlower I said I would rather be an atheist before I believed that about God. I don't believe that about God. It's not the God I love. If you are brainwashed to believe that about God I feel sorry for you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @MarysLittleFlower I said I would rather be an atheist before I believed that about God. I don't believe that about God. It's not the God I love. If you are brainwashed to believe that about God I feel sorry for you as well. do you believe that a mortal sin is a choice that leads to hell? That is doctrine My problem with what you are saying Josh is that you make it sound like if this is true then God "isn't loving". I described why that isn't so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I used to have a book of the sermons of St. Alphonsus Liguori and specifically remember him talking about a child in hell (among other things like the number of sins beyond which God will pardon no more). I don't have the book anymore to cite it. The vision is mentioned in a sermon by St. Alphonsus who attributes the vision to St. Gregory. The child is actually said to be 5 years of age in the sermon. http://youtu.be/1WumCIiw6hk The soul that commits a mortal sin rejects God, so Jesus isn't saying come to me so I can reject you. He says come to me, but the soul says no and rejects Him by committing a mortal sin. Just saw this post, my memory is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Do you believe that God forces the souls who choose against Him to be with Him? They would find that incredibly more painful. Do you imagine a lost soul going to hell while loving God and longing for Him? Because in reality they would reject repentance even IF it was offered. If this girl went to hell its not like she loved Him and He cast her away "for a mistake". Her will would have been set against Him and AGAINST repentance. He offers repentance till the last moment and offers graces. A soul in hell said "no". Why do you think that all children would always say yes? We are free. And we are not unfallen until we grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) @Jaime I'm not even trying to study it. I just see Catholics write stuff like this and it's almost comical. It pushes me towards becoming Protestant. Because stuff in that video is not the Gospel of Christ. 5 year olds in hell is not the message of Christ. That I have to even say that is pathetic. That a Saint and Doctor of the Church is arguing for that seriously makes me stop and think are all these Protestants right? Is there a problem with Catholicism? It's funny lately all these Catholics in my news feed are going on and on about Pope Francis and how it's the Apostate Church now and all this junk. So I have had to hear this from Protestants all this time. But now Catholics are saying it as well. I want to remain Catholic and trust in Jesus to forgive my sins. But i come to Phatmass and their posting videos of Saints and Doctors of the Church saying Jesus won't forgive me after so many sins. Hmmmm..... Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now