Guest Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Only 3% black... Also read from a Catholic source that blacks couldn't receive Communion back in the day. Sicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I don't know really the religious history of black people in America, but maybe there's historical reason for that ? Also "black" is not really a word that make sense, of course the skin color of someone is important, but you have to make a difference between culture (african-american, and nigerian, sénégal, etc...), who have all different history, different way to see religion, to live it, etc... I read somewhere that the catholic church was more diverse than other protestant congregation, because of the Latinos : http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/27/the-most-and-least-racially-diverse-u-s-religious-groups/ "Catholics and members of the Pentecostal denominations Assemblies of God and Church of God (Cleveland, Tenn.) both rank between 6.0 and 7.0 on the scale – comparable to U.S. adults overall – largely because of sizable Hispanic minorities. Roughly six-in-ten U.S. Catholics (59%) are white, while 34% are Hispanic; a quarter of the Pentecostal groups are Hispanic." Read the whole thing, there's worse than the catholic church... Maybe you will be interested to read about Father Augustus Tolton, the first African-American priest : http://www.toltoncanonization.org/biography/biography.html Edited September 26, 2015 by NadaTeTurbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) There were only a very small number of Catholics in the USA up until around the mid-19th century I think. By that time most blacks had already accepted the religion of "massa" if you will. . . The Catholic numbers that you see in the USA is largely a result of the European immigration wave of the mid-19th century . . . Edited September 26, 2015 by Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The part about denying Communion is evil. I can't believe that happened. God have mercy on us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Well it shouldn't have, that has never been Catholic teaching. Would be interested to see the source. Lots of discrimination in the church but denying the sacraments extraordinarily rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The part about denying Communion is evil. I can't believe that happened. God have mercy on us all. Is there much truth to that? I can't really see that happening too often . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Pope Francis Inspires Black Catholics, Despite Complicated Church History On Race SEPTEMBER 22, 2015 2:03 PM ET MARY C. CURTIS Every time Pope Francis washes the feet of prisoners, embraces an orphan, speaks of social justice and "the least of these," it reflects the Catholic Church as I would like it to be, the church of the Scriptures. Pope Francis has not altered doctrine or dogma; yet words and deeds have their own kind of power. His U.S. itinerary includes stops at a Harlem school and a Philadelphia correctional facility. It's a visit that may bring me closer to a faith that has not always been so welcoming to black Catholics like me. "I think Pope Francis' message is a challenging one for the kinds of Catholics we have here in America, who have bought into a kind of Evangelicalism which isn't Catholicism," says Anthea Butler, Associate Professor of Religion and Africana studies at the University of Pennsylvania. "I think it rings true for black Catholics because of his focus on justice, poverty and liberation." It certainly rings true for someone like me who sees being Catholic as an essential part of being myself. When you are baptized with the name your late grandmother carried, Mary Cecelia, Catholic is with you before you learn the rosary or make your first Communion. But being black and Catholic — something I never thought much about in my early years — means inheriting a complicated legacy. In my home state of Maryland, which was colonized as a refuge for persecuted Catholics, the faith was locked in for many enslaved African-Americans, beginning in the 17th century, a custom that extended to other parts of the young country. "Many enslaved Africans became Catholic if imported through New Orleans under French rule 'code noir,'" Butler explains, "which required slaves purchased to be baptized in the Catholic Church within seven days of purchase." For centuries, not only did the Catholic Church bless slave holders, in some cases, it joined their ranks. Cecilia Moore is an Associate Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Dayton, a Catholic research university in Ohio. Moore, herself an African-American Catholic, has researched black Catholic history and has taught at Xavier University of Louisiana's Institute for Black Catholic Studies. She notes that religious orders like the Jesuits ignored church law on slavery, and held slaves themselves, who worked as servants and on the community's farms. Despite Pope Gregory's 1839 condemnation of the slave trade,Catholic loyalties in the Civil War often split along regional lines, with the archbishop of New York John Hughes supporting the Union and consulting with President Abraham Lincoln, while the Charleston, S.C., bishop Patrick Neeson Lynch, was sent by Jefferson Davis to meet with Pope Pius IX in a failed attempt to get him to recognize the Confederacy. To be sure, the church could also be a force for equality in America, from the work of Mother Katharine Drexel (now a saint) in funding and founding black Catholic schools and parishes in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, to the actions of North Carolina Bishop Vincent Waters to integrate schools and churches in 1953, a year before the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education decision. That spirit of inclusion was not something the larger church always embraced, even on Sunday mornings. "Segregation in the Catholic church was prevalent, especially during the Jim Crow era," says Butler. African-Americans were often forced to sit in separate sections of churches, and barred from altar service or taking communion. "We still have people who have living memory of the ways in which they were segregated in worship," says Moore. Still, many black religious and lay leaders never lost their faith or activism, with black church organizations offering support throughout the church's history in America. Religion and politics, while never separate, became as tangled as they could be in Baltimore in the 1960s and 1970s – a time of turmoil and tension to spare. This is when the Church's complicated history with race became part of my own story. I remember theheroism of Lawrence Cardinal Shehan, Archbishop of Baltimore – soft spoken and small in stature – who demonstrated at the March on Washington, ordered desegregation of schools in the archdiocese in the 1960s, and was jeered when he testified in favor of open housing legislation. But I also remember how segregation marred Catholic schools, and what that meant to my family in the 1950s and 1960s. My oldest brother passed rigorous entrance exams for Catholic high schools in Baltimore with flying colors. But he never got to attend; priests and school administrators explained that had my brother been white and non-Catholic, he would've been accepted. With the persistence of my devout and active Catholic mother, who persevered through her hurt, he was accepted to a Catholic high school in Wilmington, Del., which was integrating. That meant a daily early train commute from Baltimore to Wilmington, about an hour one way; he never missed a day and graduated with high honors, second in the class. We still have people who have living memory of the ways in which they were segregated in worship. Just a few years later, things had changed...somewhat. When I graduated from an all-black grade school, taught by the Oblate Sisters of Providence, a black order of nuns founded in Baltimore in 1829 to teach children who looked like me, I passed those tests, just as my brother had, and was allowed to enter an all-girls Catholic high school where I was in a definite minority. I developed lasting friendships and survived occasional clashes with white girls from other parts of the city as we worked through petty kid stuff as well as more serious racial resentments that threatened to trump carefully learned lessons of Catholic charity. I found refuge with the other newspaper geeks and Sister Mary Augustine who welcomed anyone willing to write or edit a story. In my senior year, I shared editor duties with a white classmate who is still a friend. The teachers were often the bigger problem. The day I registered for classes, the nun in charge looked at my face, and pulled my mom and me aside halfway through the process. It never occurred to her that the Mary Cecelia whose test scores put her in honors courses could look like me. She explained that while I qualified for gifted classes, I might want to start in a lower group until I could handle more advanced work. After exchanging looks, my mother and I assured her I would be fine. That nun, who later would become my honors algebra teacher, remained bewildered by my success. "Are other people in your family smart?" she'd ask me. The Church has come a long way since my childhood, even before Pope Francis. In 2010, when the National Gathering for Black Catholic Women met in Charlotte, N.C, where I now live, hundreds of women traveled from across the country for fellowship dedicated to "remaining Catholic while remaining authentically black," as one attendee put it. My sister – following my mother's example — was one of them. She worships at a predominantly black parish in Baltimore that was all-white in my childhood and changed with the neighborhood. Now, with a black pastor, the vibrant services incorporate soulful music and praise dance. Worldwide, the black Catholic Church is changing, too. According to the National Black Catholic Congress, Catholics of African descent represent almost 25 percent of the one billion Roman Catholics throughout the world in more than 59 countries. At Cecilia Moore's predominantly black parish in Dayton, many of the younger parishioners are from Ghana, with others from Nigeria and Rwanda. "We're getting older, and the young people of African descent tend to be immigrants and the children of immigrants," she says, noting that the number of white American Catholics has long been in decline. "When we take a picture of the U.S. Catholic Church, it's going to be very black and brown," Moore explains, adding that the U.S. church is increasingly dependent on foreign born priests — maybe from Africa, India, the Philippines or Ireland. "America is kind of a mission again." So, you could say Pope Francis is doing missionary work, recognizing that the church needs to embrace members of color to survive. Or maybe he's just getting back to basics. "He has the common touch, that is the ability to relate to people, to be with people to enjoy their company, to listen to them," says Moore. "It feels so relatable and relational; every time he does that he reminds all of us that the church is so much wider than what we think we know it is. ... He surprises us." Pope Francis' message has surprised me. He looks to the future of the church by sharing a message that harkens back to the small and inclusive world that once made me feel very much at home in church. Even from a distance, I will be listening. Mary C. Curtis is a journalist in Charlotte, N.C. She has worked at the New York Times, the Baltimore Sun, the Charlotte Observer, as a national correspondent for Politics Daily and was a contributor to The Washington Post. Follow her on Twitter. Edited September 26, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 There is a pretty good number of black Catholics here in DC. I have heard that New Orleans is the only other area of the US with a significant amount of black Catholics. I don't think I met a single one the city where I grew up, which has a huge Catholic population. Who knows - maybe Pope Francis's visit will help more of us to take a look at the church. That would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I don't know really the religious history of black people in America, but maybe there's historical reason for that ? Also "black" is not really a word that make sense, of course the skin color of someone is important, but you have to make a difference between culture (african-american, and nigerian, sénégal, etc...), who have all different history, different way to see religion, to live it, etc... I read somewhere that the catholic church was more diverse than other protestant congregation, because of the Latinos : http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/27/the-most-and-least-racially-diverse-u-s-religious-groups/ "Catholics and members of the Pentecostal denominations Assemblies of God and Church of God (Cleveland, Tenn.) both rank between 6.0 and 7.0 on the scale – comparable to U.S. adults overall – largely because of sizable Hispanic minorities. Roughly six-in-ten U.S. Catholics (59%) are white, while 34% are Hispanic; a quarter of the Pentecostal groups are Hispanic." Read the whole thing, there's worse than the catholic church... Maybe you will be interested to read about Father Augustus Tolton, the first African-American priest : http://www.toltoncanonization.org/biography/biography.html Catholicism in America was very deeply an immigrant phenomenon...as people started coming from Europe in the 1900s, they created a unique Catholic identity in America. Blacks were in America long before that, and American culture is natively Protestant. Catholicism was associated with the immigrant poor and the institutional cohesion of an international church. Obviously there are many reasons why blacks in America are historically Protesant, but a big one is that they were Americans, not immigrants, in a Protestant land, and the American/Protestant individualism gave them a Gospel that was not dependent on an existing institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 but a big one is that they were Americans Don't tell that to Dred Scott. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Thanks for the article Josh. I'd certainly want to know specifics of when and where and how often this happened. I'd never heard of this before, and despite that, I'm not entirely surprised. There have always been a lot of politics regarding those who are barred from receiving Communion regardless of the community and also not entirely dependent on the priest or bishop (that is, the local people will throw such a fuss that the priest or bishop bows to their demands - not right, but it happens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremus Pro Invicem Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The article is very sad indeed. It's clear though that the Church Herself did not condone these things. Rome, contrary to what most believe, cannot micro manage every church and dioceses. Sadly, lots of things which are not Catholic happen in Catholic institutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Don't tell that to Dred Scott. . . I don't mean legally but culturally. This was the only land they knew. They were not immigrants from the Old World bringing over a foreign religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 There was an all black church/school in OKC. it was on the NE side of town that was called coloured-town back then. There were none in our parish although a couple played on my brother Jimmy's school football team, leading to a scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I'll be the honest one of the main temptations to leave the Catholic Church has been this issue. It's always been very apparent to me that this is a big issue that people try to sweep under the rug. This is why certain Catholics make me want to knock their head off when they go on and on about how Non Catholics (aka 97% of Black Christians) realllyy aren't Christians when we get real technical about it. If we just go back to Vatican 1 etc etc....Although all the recent anti Catholic stuff I've seen with the Pope's visit has sorta canceled those feelings out for me a little bit for the time being at least. There's people guilty on both sides. Although to be fair most of the anti Catholic stuff I see is from lunatic white people. Edited September 26, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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