dUSt Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 "Millions of American Catholics, like me, are excited that Pope Francis is making his first journey to the United States. In our Holy Father, we have a model of personal holiness and deep concern for the most vulnerable among us. He reminds us to speak out for the persecuted, advocate for the unborn, comfort the afflicted and welcome the stranger. The pundits would like to make him out to be a politician, but his charge is much greater than that: He is the spiritual leader to the largest group of Christians on Earth and an inspiration to all people of good will. The church that Francis leads never tires of proclaiming the dignity of all people -- a truth that is also at the heart of our form of government that pledges liberty and justice for all. It underlies the first freedom in our Constitution, the freedom of religion, a freedom that too many in our government have lost sight of in recent years. I hope Pope Francis' visit to the United States is a powerful reminder that in a country as great and diverse as ours, we can protect religious freedom and the right of conscience while respecting those with opposing views. Catholicism has grounded my own life. In Catholic teachings, the family is a "domestic church," and the Catholic faithful are a kind of extended family. The Catholic Church has always bound my own family together. Even before my own conversion, we attended Mass together, sharing as a family the message of hope and love, praying for peace and grace. My wife was raised in the Catholic faith, we were married in a Catholic student center, and we in turn raised our children as Catholics..." Read the whole story here: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/opinions/jeb-bush-pope-francis-visit/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makarioi Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 He was the Governor of my state and I had no idea he was a covert to Catholicism. ( where've I been?) Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I had no idea, either. Good for him, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I guess he has a special edition of the Catechism with paragraphs on mass murder being okay if it's accomplished through the US government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Its all bull poo. He is appealing to one of the few demographics that will even consider voting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I'd sooner vote for a badger's ass. Not the whole badger, just its ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 I like Jeb Bush. I also like his brother, George W. He gets a bad rap, but I think he's been the most authentic President of my life time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I like Jeb Bush. I also like his brother, George W. He gets a bad rap, but I think he's been the most authentic President of my life time. An authentic war criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 An authentic war criminal. You're influenced by weird things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 You're influenced by weird things. I'm influenced by my Catholic moral theology. It is still in me to oppose total war. And certainly torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makarioi Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I like Jeb and GW also. GW had the chops to stand his ground. The community organizer we have now has made this country a weak embarrassment. To have peace, you prepare for war. it's unfortunate, but true. War is what gave us the freedoms to do and say what we do today. Sorry to hijack your thread, dUSt, it just came out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I like Jeb and GW also. GW had the chops to stand his ground. The community organizer we have now has made this country a weak embarrassment. To have peace, you prepare for war. it's unfortunate, but true. War is what gave us the freedoms to do and say what we do today. Sorry to hijack your thread, dUSt, it just came out! Yeah, Saddam was just about to pass a law permitting the US government to conduct warrantless wiretaps and generally abridge liberty in the name of safety when the US military unseated him and preserved out liberties. And the ironic thing was, Saddam had named his law "The Patriot Act". But, as I said, liberty ws preserved by attacking him. And then there was the time the communists were going to pass some laws in the US but Ronald Reagan flew in on a bald eagle and contained them. The Vietnam war also saved us from some particularly nasty legislation crafted by the leaders of the NVA. We don't want to overlook the Korean war Conflict. Very nearly ended up losing some freedom from some crafty Koreans hell bent on destroying freedoms. There is a long history of the US freedoms being preserved by invading other countries and laying waste to them. Sure, countless non-combatants were killed, but you're able to vomit up fact-free platitudes that rival the most transparent Soviet propaganda without fear of being hauled off by some scary members of ISIS, who without US funding prior to their rise to power would surely have taken over Congress. God bless the USA. Without them, millions of foreigners would have lived to breeding age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Winchester I thought alot about your post last night. I think that your view is very polarized and very short-sighted. There were many things wrong with the Korean War and there were even more things wrong with the post 9-11 wars, but lets not forget at least the latter were because a few thousand Americans got blown up. Gitmo is a travesty, but let's not forget that while Obama "followed his word" and "shut it down" in 2009 he pretty much reinstated everything in 2011. Bush may have started it, but it's been nearly 8 years that Obama has been in office, more than enough time for him to shut it down...and still it lingers as one of his "regrets" We now have a crisis in Syria and Russia where people are being "cleansed" from their homes, in both countries it's moderate but faithful Moslems and certain types of Christians. In Syria we have atleast 1/10th of the population leaving the country. In comparison that'd be like the entire population of New York City and Chicago leaving the US as well most of the state of Texas. This is INSANITY. Yet we are doing nothing to help people remain in their homes whilst Putin gives barrel bombs out like candy to Syrian forces. Sometimes, there is no good answer. Certainly boots on the ground would stem the tide of the evil forces in the Middle East. Many were kept at bay for years. Can there be peace without war? I don't think ISIS things so, I'm pretty sure Putin dosn't think so either. So how do we ensure the liberties of our foriegn brethren? I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced that no war is an answer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Blaze, Winnie doesn't deal in answering direct questions asking for positive action within parameters of reality. He just points out failures and shortcomings in a gleefully snarky sense of perceived superiority. It makes him look smart and doesn't trap him in accountability. Most here think he's clever and cool for it. That strategy works quite well in the world of superficial data. Jeb, as governor of Florida (99-07), played no role in sending Federal troops to Iraq. Talk about vomiting propaganda. I dont care care for his relaxed views on allowing abortion. He is a waffling political creature more than he is Catholic. Edited September 23, 2015 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 We dont need a 3rd Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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