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Does Baptism Cleanse Us Of Mortal Sin?


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theculturewarrior

The only thing is, IIRC, you have to die desiring baptism to receive a baptism by desire.

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imprimatur is Latin for "Let it be printed" A Bishop gives an imprimatur to a printed work to assure that nothing in it is contrary to faith or morals.

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[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Jun 17 2004, 06:11 AM'] if you die before receiving the sacrament, but you desire the sacrament, then you have a "baptism of desire." You are baptized in anticipation of receiving the sacrament, [b]like Mary.[/b] [/quote]
umm... that's right except the MARY part... she had no original sin and no actual sin, so why does she need baptism of desire?

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theculturewarrior

I'm not sure if Mary's Immaculate Conception actually was a baptism of desire, but the reason she was preserved from all sin, was because she received that Grace from Jesus in anticipation of the coming of the Kingdom. When someone is baptized by desire, they receive the graces of baptism in anticipation of receiving the sacrament. In both instances, Mary and the baptised Christian receive the grace of initiation into the Body of Christ in anticipation.

There is a pray for Spiritual Communion that goes, Lord, may I receive You with the purity, devotion, and humility with which Your most holy mother received you.

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in any case that's not a prime example of the average baptism of desire ;) cuz the average baptism of desire is only for those who die before the chance to receive actual baptism.

pAx

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theculturewarrior

The point is that when somebody dies desiring Baptism, they have received Jesus with Mary's faith. There is no better example. :)

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except that i'm not convinced the term "baptism of desire" is applicable to Mary's case, in which it is not an example of that. ;)

pAx

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Baptism of desire, in the strictest sense, isn't applicable to Mary, but I can see what TCW is saying. The two are similar in that grace is received outside of the ordinary Sacrament of Baptism. Mary didn't receive a baptism by desire, though. An example of BBD would probably be St. Dismas, the "Good Thief."

God bless,

Jen

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