theculturewarrior Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The only thing is, IIRC, you have to die desiring baptism to receive a baptism by desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnanc Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 imprimatur is Latin for "Let it be printed" A Bishop gives an imprimatur to a printed work to assure that nothing in it is contrary to faith or morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Jun 17 2004, 06:11 AM'] if you die before receiving the sacrament, but you desire the sacrament, then you have a "baptism of desire." You are baptized in anticipation of receiving the sacrament, [b]like Mary.[/b] [/quote] umm... that's right except the MARY part... she had no original sin and no actual sin, so why does she need baptism of desire? pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 (edited) I'm not sure if Mary's Immaculate Conception actually was a baptism of desire, but the reason she was preserved from all sin, was because she received that Grace from Jesus in anticipation of the coming of the Kingdom. When someone is baptized by desire, they receive the graces of baptism in anticipation of receiving the sacrament. In both instances, Mary and the baptised Christian receive the grace of initiation into the Body of Christ in anticipation. There is a pray for Spiritual Communion that goes, Lord, may I receive You with the purity, devotion, and humility with which Your most holy mother received you. Edited June 20, 2004 by theculturewarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 in any case that's not a prime example of the average baptism of desire cuz the average baptism of desire is only for those who die before the chance to receive actual baptism. pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 The point is that when somebody dies desiring Baptism, they have received Jesus with Mary's faith. There is no better example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 except that i'm not convinced the term "baptism of desire" is applicable to Mary's case, in which it is not an example of that. pAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Baptism of desire, in the strictest sense, isn't applicable to Mary, but I can see what TCW is saying. The two are similar in that grace is received outside of the ordinary Sacrament of Baptism. Mary didn't receive a baptism by desire, though. An example of BBD would probably be St. Dismas, the "Good Thief." God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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