BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 05:44 AM'] Hmm, any idea how we go about repaying God in purgatory??? [/quote] That's a mystery, Rich. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Good post above, Amber. And thanks for clarifying, OwNeD. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Sorry, the Hmm made it sound sarcastic. I'm actually interested and wanted to know what the story was. Thanks for answering. I think the best thing for me would be to start helping out at the soup kitchen more frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Hi justfran, To answer your question -- yes, baptism cleanses the soul of mortal sin as well. That is what the article says. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 purgatory is just a state of being after death in which you cleanse your soul before going to heaven it's like a dog, say you barely get them from a pound, and like he's all dirtyso you wash him *baptism* then after he's all clean it goes and rolls around in mud and goes plays with dogs with ticks so now that dog has ticks as well*sin* so now its getting cold and the dog wants in the house, but the house is like made of gold and silver and whatnot, so the dog cant go in the house in that dirty state *we cant go into heaven in our sinful state* so the owner washes the dog once more, but this time it hurts, flea powder and scrubba dub dub, now the dog is ready for the house ok the way that we pay in purgatory is its like a cleaning thing like the dog before he went into the house lets say it had to stay under the shower right? well we have to endure the pain of purgatory kus in the CCC it says that purgatory hurts as much as hell at one point, and also that 1 minute feels like years and years, fast ways of getting out of purgatory are through deeds you did while alive, and indulgences you received, and also in purgatory you cant pray for yourself, however other people can pray for you. St.Gertrude the Great, and many other saints have received revelations about this stuff and whatnot. sheesh im confussing and im tired... i dont even know if i answered any questions hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Hi justfran, The part of the article that you referenced is dealing with a perfect Act of Contrition, in which mortal sin can be forgiven outside of Confession for those who do not know the truths of the Sacrament -- or for those who are incapable of going to Confession (e.g., if they were in an airplane about to crash). Just a note: I'm not sure we can quote EWTN articles on phatmass. I don't know if it infringes on the copyright. I'm not sure. (We can link to them, though, of course.) God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiciblanche Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:49 AM'] Sorry, the Hmm made it sound sarcastic. I'm actually interested and wanted to know what the story was. Thanks for answering. I think the best thing for me would be to start helping out at the soup kitchen more frequently [/quote] No problem. I kind of snapped back pretty fast; I just don't like it when I feel I'm not being taken seriously. As far as what we do in Purgatory, here's what I can conclude - Those in Purgatory are called the Church Suffering. Therefore, there must be suffering involved. The sins are said to be [i]purged.[/i] To be purged on earth, physically, sounds as though it would be painful. I imagine that it is spiritually painful to have your sins purged from you in Purgatory. I can't really say much else, but the fact that those in Purgatory are called the Church Suffering is important - if it was some fun, howdy-do experience, I don't think those involved would be called the Church Suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 i like beenabobba she is so eloquent, humble, and debonair. hahaha... Props to you on the dogma debate in the movies forum deng i hate that movie i just wrote somepin in there =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='OwNeD_byGoD' date='Jun 16 2004, 06:00 AM'] i like beenabobba she is so eloquent, humble, and debonair. hahaha... Props to you on the dogma debate in the movies forum deng i hate that movie i just wrote somepin in there =P [/quote] Haha. Aww, shucks, OwNeD. I read what you wrote in the [i]Dogma[/i] thread, and I thought it was pretty cool. You hit the nail right on the head with what you said, I think. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 JMJ 6/16 - Eleventh Wednesday Just to clear the air..... [b]Baptism cleanses the soul of all sin, original, mortal and venial[/b]. Continue talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfran Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 Thanks, Pio Nono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Baptism for any body other than a baby cleanses us of every sin sin we ever committed. If you do want to become a Catholic, go to RCIA. Next Holy Saturday, you can be baptised, go to Holy Communoin, and be Confirmed by the priest. You not not have to go to confession until after you have committed a mortal sin after your Baptism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 On Purgatory: [url="http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Purgatry/Readme.htm"]http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Purgatry/Readme.htm[/url] Aquinas on the effect of Baptism: I answer that, As stated above (49, 3, ad 2; 68, 1,4,5) by Baptism a man is incorporated in the Passion and death of Christ, according to Rm. 6:8: "If we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall live also together with Christ." Hence it is clear that the Passion of Christ is communicated to every baptized person, so that he is healed just as if he himself had suffered and died. Now Christ's Passion, as stated above (68, 5), is a sufficient satisfaction for all the sins of all men. Consequently he who is baptized, is freed from the debt of all punishment due to him for his sins, just as if he himself had offered sufficient satisfaction for all his sins. In other words, Baptism forgives all sins the person has committed, regardless of their severity, AND all punishment due for those sins. So it would seem that if you were to die shortly after Baptism (without having comitted any other sins) you would have a direct flight to Heaven, without a layover in purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jun 16 2004, 07:38 AM'] You not not have to go to confession until after you have committed a mortal sin after your Baptism. [/quote] This is very true.. I am sure you will agree with me when I say this as well but I think it has to be said: It is not reccomended to wait to goto confession until the point of Mortal sin. venial sins can do a lot of cruddy things to our conscience and can ultimatly lead to commiting a mortal sin. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 JMJ 6/16 - Eleventh Wednesday popestpiusx, Isn't Thomas about the coolest cat you've ever seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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