dairygirl4u2c Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Water can exist in a liquid form, ice form, or gas form. One substance can do three different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I dunno if the liquid, ice, gas analogy is a good one - it seems a bit like modalism. I don't think we know "what God is" or the full nature of the trinity. It is still considered a mystery of the faith. I would say that it is "illogical" in the sense that it is beyond human reason or that it has not been completely revealed to us and we do not fully understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) DP Edited August 30, 2015 by Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Another way to look at this is St. Patrick explanation of the Trinity According to legend, St. Patrick was traveling and happened upon a number of Irish chieftains along a meadow. The tribal leaders were curious about the Trinity and asked St. Patrick for an explanation. So he bent down, picked a shamrock, and showed it to them, and explained how the three leaves are part of the one plant, and how similarly the three Persons, Father, Son, and Spirit, are part of one Supreme Being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Another way to look at this is St. Patrick explanation of the Trinity According to legend, St. Patrick was traveling and happened upon a number of Irish chieftains along a meadow. The tribal leaders were curious about the Trinity and asked St. Patrick for an explanation. So he bent down, picked a shamrock, and showed it to them, and explained how the three leaves are part of the one plant, and how similarly the three Persons, Father, Son, and Spirit, are part of one Supreme Being. I am pretty sure that one is a heresy too . . . 1) God is three persons 2) Each Person is Fully God 3) There is One God I think the clovee analogy violates (2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a metaphor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a metaphor Sorry. I don't really want to rain on your parade or anything. I don't think the clover analogy is a correct way to think about the Trinity. But perhaps others here would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Don't you be dissing good St. Patrick, now Whether or not Saint Patrick actually used the above metaphor is neither here or there He will always be remembered for the Expression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 237 The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God".58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I dunno if the liquid, ice, gas analogy is a good one - it seems a bit like modalism. Yes, that absolutely is modalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) It's not illogical -- it's beyond our ability to comprehend. There is a difference. Trying to comprehend the Trinity is like trying to bite a wall. Part of being Christian (and particularly Catholic) is humility to admit that we as humans cannot comprehend and understand everything. Edited August 31, 2015 by PhuturePriest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. deal with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Most of the time the greatest problem people have with the Trinity is trying to understand how He can be One being but three persons. So we use analogy to attempt to explain it. The trouble with any analogy is that it will fail in the end to completely explain. As CCC 297, that Peace posted states the Trinity is a mystery so any and all ways we try to explain it will fall to completely explain it. That being said I like the analogy of Time. Time is one, but Time is also three, past, present and future. A person is one but three, soul, mind and body. The analogies fail in the end to completely explain but they do show it is not illogical for something to be one, yet three at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Sure, you can define the trinity as illogical if you want to. So what? It doesn't change the reality. Logic is a tool - and only one tool - for understanding the world and everything in it. Humans and their emotions aren't logical, either, but that doesn't make them less real/true/actual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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