Kilroy the Ninja Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 wow Bruce, how brave of you to even get on the internet. It must be nerve wracking for you to even go grocery shopping.... assuming you really believe all of that... And if They really, honestly keep track of ALL of that information (because I don't doubt that much of it IS kept track of), who could They possibly trust with it? And where do They keep it? And why would a God-fearing good Christian be afraid of what They knew? I'm sure my file is volumous. I'm such the rebel... but then I digress. The original topic (there I go, being all control-freak again), was Bush was Right! And he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 (edited) [quote][b]Monk wrote: -? I just want to know why the UN would want to cover their butt? [/b][/quote] Try this on for size: [quote] Senior UN officials stole from oil-for-food program uploaded 22 Apr2004 At least three senior UN officials may have looted millions of dollars from the aid program that oversaw Saddam Hussein's oil sales in Iraq, ABC news reported, citing US and European intelligence sources. Documents from Saddam's oil ministry linked the program's director, Benon Sevan, to a payoff scheme that allowed some 270 foreign officials to deal in Iraqi oil at dramatically reduced prices, ABC news said. A letter to former Iraqi oil minister Amer Mohammed Rasheed -- which UN officials have not yet seen -- said that Sevan indicated which company should handle his own oil deal valued at up to3 . 5million dollars. "It's almost like having coupons of bonds or shares. You can sell those coupons to other people who are normal oil traders," said Claude Hankes-Drielsma, a British adviser to the Iraq Governing Council. Sevan has denied the accusations, which came a day before the UN Security Council is set to give its backing for an investigation into alleged fraud and corruption in the program led by former US Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker. Sevan has been on vacation in Australia since the scandal broke. "Tomorrow we will officially announce the independent inquiry into the oil-for-food program. An important aspect of the panel's work is to thoroughly investigate allegations against any UN officials," UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said in response to the ABC report. UN officials said they did not know the identities of the other two officials mentioned in the report. They were not named by ABC. The United Nations has been struggling to contain a mounting scandal over the now defunct oil-for-food program, which comes at a sensitive time as the world body prepares to take on a central role in Iraq's political future. What started out in 1996 as a humanitarian effort to help ease the effects of international sanctions on ordinary Iraqis evolved into a complex bureaucracy that oversaw 100 billion dollars in trade contracts. Saddam's regime was put under sanctions after invading Kuwait in 1990, and the program allowed Baghdad to sell oil to buy food and other essential humanitarian supplies. [b]But by the time oil-for-food was closed last year after Saddam's ouster, an alleged system of kickbacks, fraud and inflated cost figures had developed that critics say allowed officials and friends of the regime to profit. US officials told ABC the lost money could amount to five billion dollars.[/quote] In January, Iraq's Al-Mada newspaper published a list of hundreds of individuals alleged to have been involved, including Sevan. The allegations have since intensified under the probing of western journalists. The list included the names of more than 270 people, political organizations and religious figures from more than 40 countries -- including Britain, Canada, France, Russia, the United States and several Arab countries -- whom it said received free crude oil. Source: AFP[/quote] Edited June 16, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bruce, Why is it that I never see you post a link to your source? God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 the source is LISTED within that post, AFP I'm interested in the information, not in being a librarian or a footnote freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote]Bruce and Budge, Do either of you vote?[/quote] Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 scary thought, i actually agree (somewhat) with Bruce :freak: just havin' fun with ya Bruce. God bless! and now i go, back to the open mic. :ph34r: :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 [quote]perhaps you're seeking a green card because you already have a read marker and want to make a Christmas Card?[/quote] :rotfl: i dont buy christmas cards, or even make them, i just write stuff on the wrapping paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 [quote]Yeah, two years AFTER the fact. I have swampland in Florida for you too. Can you spell "cover your butt?" If not, can you spell "propaganda?"[/quote] ewww not only are you protestant your LIBERAL! ICK! LOL just kiddin with ya (kind of) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I'm Catholic and liberal. Same with Iacobus. Watch out. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 lol...its ok! I just will always be conservative...its just me! But I am not prejudice against liberals! But I will be conservative/republican forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Depending on how you look at it, I sorta like the Bloc, but I cant vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 When we went into Iraq to get rid of Saddam and the missiles, did you really think we would walk into Saddams palace and find him and the missiles immediately? A month ago they found a russian mig completely buried in the middle of the desert. Iraq is a big country and it can take a while to find things. Also, there are contries nearby that have terrorist networks running around. There's a big canyon with big caves too. We haven't looked there yet either. WWII was started to get rid of hitler but that didn't happen for about 4 years after the U.S. invaded. Did people say "yeah, Hitler's dead...FOUR YEARS AFTER THE FACT!!!" Why are people so unrealistically pessimistic? Why aren't people optimistic about the future and about our country? We got rid of on of the most powerful terrorist leaders, we're helping build democracy in a country that has lived in oppression for decades, there were over 1,000,000 new jobs created since march, we're coming closer to vehicles that don't use fossil-fuels (Toyota Pruis, Honda Insight) the economy is looking up, the illegals in america are now guest workers and can be taxed to help pay for their cost to our society? Pat Tillman had it right. He knew what he was fighting for and that it was more important to die for the good things we have here than to take millions of dollars to play a game. My buddy that got shot 3 times in the past 2 years in the mideast knows what it's all about. It's about freedom, patriotism toward a country in which we are all blessed to be born or are blessed to be here now. People are so critical and negative and so quick to place blame at the first thing that moves, we need to look at the good in our lives and in our country. God bless Texas and God bless the U.S.A.!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted June 18, 2004 Author Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Jun 16 2004, 09:41 AM'] the source is LISTED within that post, AFP I'm interested in the information, not in being a librarian or a footnote freak. [/quote] But you keep posting misinformation. Information is useless unless from a trustworthy and accurate source. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted June 18, 2004 Author Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 17 2004, 01:00 AM'] I'm Catholic and liberal. Same with Iacobus. Watch out. :ph34r: [/quote] If you voted for gore, clinton, or would vote for kerry... then you've got a lot to learn about Catholicism. kerry claims to be Catholic, but he only plays one on TV... like kennedy, daschle, etc... Wanting to help the poor does not make someone a liberal. When I hear liberal... this is what I think.... Accepting abortion, homosexual marriages, legalization of narcottics, teaching children about sex at 7, telling people it's safe to have sex with a condom (which is a total lie), etc... What's your definition of liberal? God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 God Bless You IronMonk!!!!!!!! Use to be there was NO such thing as a liberal...Democrats and Republicans both used to be conservative...LIBERAL AND CATHOLIC DONT GO TOGETHER! Now I didn't say Democrat and Catholic..LIBERAL! BIG DIFFERENCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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