Bush Was Right!

[ironmonk]

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[b]UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after [/b]

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Friday, June 11, 2004
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.

The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.

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All of you who pitched a fit that no WMD were found, and said that Bush lied because of it....

Time to appologize to Bush for your rash judgement.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Bruce S]

Yeah, two years AFTER the fact.

I have swampland in Florida for you too.

Can you spell "cover your butt?"

If not, can you spell "propaganda?"

Sure Saddam might have some OLD, obsolete, incomplete, inventory that he tried to hide. But they were NOT what we were told to we would find. Notice that they said, MISSLES? Like we didn't know he had them, heck, we saw them on TV in Gulf War I. Missles were NOT the issue, I can't recall us having been told we were going to war because Saddam had some Silk Missles from China left over from GW I, and they are old, old, old, and basically couldn't hit even a CITY they were aimed at, they had an accuracy of a few MILES from the targeted object.

If they WERE there, they would be on TEEVEE every night, not shown in hidden for eyes only briefings.

And Bush and his family didn't profit from Gulf War I and II, either, grin.

Man, are you gullible

Edited June 15, 2004 by Bruce S

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Jun 15 2004, 05:01 PM'] Yeah, two years AFTER the fact.

I have swampland in Florida for you too.

Can you spell "cover your butt?"

If not, can you spell "propaganda?"

Sure Saddam might have some OLD, obsolete, incomplete, inventory that he tried to hide. But they were NOT what we were told to we would find. Notice that they said, MISSLES? Like we didn't know he had them, heck, we saw them on TV in Gulf War I. Missles were NOT the issue, I can't recall us having been told we were going to war because Saddam had some Silk Missles from China left over from GW I, and they are old, old, old, and basically couldn't hit even a CITY they were aimed at, they had an accuracy of a few MILES from the targeted object.

If they WERE there, they would be on TEEVEE every night, not shown in hidden for eyes only briefings.

And Bush and his family didn't profit from Gulf War I and II, either, grin.

Man, are you gullible [/quote]
May God Bless you....

I just want to know why the UN would want to cover their butt?

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Bruce S]

Pehaps to COVER UP the $15 BILLION they stole out of the "Oil/Food For Peace" program? The biggest LOOTING ever by any do good operation?

This is the biggest crime in recorded history, and they will give Bush and company, ANYTHING they want, if they just don't pull out of the massively corrupted UN.

Sheesh.

Man, you don't know much about how the world works, do you?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Jun 15 2004, 05:13 PM'] Pehaps to COVER UP the $15 BILLION they stole out of the "Oil/Food For Peace" program? The biggest LOOTING ever by any do good operation?

This is the biggest crime in recorded history, and they will  give Bush and company, ANYTHING they want, if they just don't pull out of the massively corrupted UN.

Sheesh.

Man, you don't know much about how the world works, do you? [/quote]


Do you read a lot of "Catcher in the Rye"?


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited June 15, 2004 by ironmonk

[crusader1234]

I think that a lot of this is propaganda, and the fact that they found stuff doesnt change that the war didnt meet just war criteria... but keep making fun of eachother its pretyt funny.

Oh, and the guy who listens to all your phone calls is named George.

[Quietfire]

I wonder, quite honestly, after reading two threads here in debate (one started last year btw) if me continuing to be a Protestant will mean I will have to have such a negative attitude about EVERYTHING.

Such cruddy dispositions.
Cut it out!

[Bruce S]

[quote]Oh, and the guy who listens to all your phone calls is named George.[/quote]

As I said before, you guys are NAIVE about the REAL world:

Here read, learn something about "George"

Jun 8th, 2004 - 08:24:11
What Price Freedom?
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How Big Brother Is Watching, Listening and Misusing Information About You
By TERESA HAMPTON & DOUG THOMPSON
Jun 8, 2004, 08:19
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You’re on your way to work in the morning and place a call on your wireless phone. As your call is relayed by the wireless tower, it is also relayed by another series of towers to a microwave antenna on top of Mount Weather between Leesburg and Winchester, Virginia and then beamed to another antenna on top of an office building in Arlington where it is recorded on a computer hard drive.
The computer also records you phone digital serial number, which is used to identify you through your wireless company phone bill that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency already has on record as part of your permanent file.

A series of sophisticated computer programs listens to your phone conversation and looks for “keywords” that suggest suspicious activity. If it picks up those words, an investigative file is opened and sent to the Department of Homeland Security.

Congratulations. Big Brother has just identified you as a potential threat to the security of the United States because you might have used words like “take out” (as in taking someone out when you were in fact talking about ordering takeout for lunch) or “D-Day” (as in deadline for some nefarious activity when you were talking about going to the new World War II Memorial to recognize the 60th anniversary of D-Day).

If you are lucky, an investigator at DHS will look at the entire conversation in context and delete the file. Or he or she may keep the file open even if they realize the use of words was innocent. Or they may decide you are, indeed, a threat and set up more investigation, including a wiretap on your home and office phones, around-the-clock surveillance and much closer looks at your life.

Welcome to America, 2004, where the actions of more than 150 million citizens are monitored 24/7 by the TIA, the Terrorist Information Awareness (originally called Total Information Awareness) program of DARPA, DHS and the Department of Justice.

Although Congress cut off funding for TIA last year, the Bush Administration ordered the program moved into the Pentagon’s “black bag” budget, which is neither authorized nor reviewed by the Hill. DARPA also increased the use of private contractors to get around privacy laws that would restrict activities by federal employees.

Six months of interviews with security consultants, former DARPA employees, privacy experts and contractors who worked on the TIA facility at 3701 Fairfax Drive in Arlington reveal a massive snooping operation that is capable of gathering – in real time – vast amounts of information on the day to day activities of ordinary Americans.

Going on a trip? TIA knows where you are going because your train, plane or hotel reservations are forwarded automatically to the DARPA computers. Driving? Every time you use a credit card to purchase gas, a record of that transaction is sent to TIA which can track your movements across town or across the country.

Use a computerized transmitter to pay tolls? TIA is notified every time that transmitter passes through a toll booth. Likewise, that lunch you paid for with your VISA becomes part of your permanent file, along with your credit report, medical records, driving record and even your TV viewing habits.

Subscribers to the DirecTV satellite TV service should know – but probably don’t – that every pay-per-view movie they order is reported to TIA as is any program they record using a TIVO recording system. If they order an adult film from any of DirecTV’s three SpiceTV channels, that information goes to TIA and is, as a matter of policy, forwarded to the Department of Justice’s special task force on pornography.

“We have a police state far beyond anything George Orwell imagined in his book 1984,” says privacy expert Susan Morrissey. “The everyday lives of virtually every American are under scrutiny 24-hours-a-day by the government.”

Paul Hawken, owner of the data information mining company Groxis, agrees, saying the government is spending more time watching ordinary Americans than chasing terrorists and the bad news is that they aren’t very good at it.

“It’s the Three Stooges go to data mining school,” says Hawken. “Even worse, DARPA is depending on second-rate companies to provide them with the technology, which only increases the chances for errors.”

One such company is Torch Concepts. DARPA provided the company with flight information on five million passengers who flew Jet Blue Airlines in 2002 and 2003. Torch then matched that information with social security numbers, credit and other personal information in the TIA databases to build a prototype passenger profiling system.

Jet Blue executives were livid when they learned how their passenger information, which they must provide the government under the USA Patriot Act, was used and when it was presented at a technology conference with the title: Homeland Security – Airline Passenger Risk Assessment.

Privacy Expert Bill Scannell didn’t buy Jet Blue’s anger.

“JetBlue has assaulted the privacy of 5 million of its customers,” said Scannell. “Anyone who flew should be aware and very scared that there is a dossier on them.”

But information from TIA will be used the DHS as a major part of the proposed CAPSII airline passenger monitoring system. That system, when fully in place, will determine whether or not any American is allowed to get on an airplane for a flight.

JetBlue requested the report be destroyed and the passenger data be purged from the TIA computers but TIA refuses to disclose the status of either the report or the data.

Although exact statistics are classified, security experts say the U.S. Government has paid out millions of dollars in out-of-court settlements to Americans who have been wrongly accused, illegally detained or harassed because of mistakes made by TIA. Those who accept settlements also have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and won’t discuss their cases.

Hawken refused to do business with DARPA, saying TIA was both unethical and illegal.

"We got a lot of e-mails from companies – even conservative ones – saying, ‘Thank you. Finally someone won’t do something for money,’" he adds.

Those who refuse to work with TIA include specialists from the super-secret National Security Agency in Fort Meade, MD. TIA uses NSA’s technology to listen in on wireless phone calls as well as the agency’s list of key words and phrases to identify potential terrorist activity.

“I know NSA employees who have quit rather than cooperate with DARPA,” Hawken says. “NSA’s mandate is to track the activities of foreign enemies of this nation, not Americans.”

© Copyright 2004 by Capitol Hill Blue

[Budge]

Agree with Bruce.

Heres something about George Bush:

Go to a big bookstore and buy the PRO-Bush book

[i]The Pentagon's New Map[/i]

and read what the REAL plans were about and WHY we went to war with Iraq.

[Quietfire]

Bruce and Budge,

Do either of you vote?


and btw
[quote]Pehaps to COVER UP the $15 BILLION they stole out of the "Oil/Food For Peace" program? The biggest LOOTING ever by any do good operation?[/quote]

How can they cover it up if its already known? As in...if you mention it and its discussed, how is it a cover up?

Peace.

Edited June 15, 2004 by Quietfire

[crusader1234]

Bruce I was just joking.

I do believe George exists, although I'm not sure to which extent. Chances are some form of George is on Phatmass hearing me bash Dubya, and if I ever try to apply for a Green Card I wont get it... what am I talking abuot? Why would I want a green card?!?!?!

[Aloysius]

perhaps you're seeking a green card because you already have a read marker and want to make a Christmas Card?

[Quietfire]

[quote]You’re on your way to work in the morning and place a call on your wireless phone. As your call is relayed by the wireless tower, it is also relayed by another series of towers to a microwave antenna on top of Mount Weather between Leesburg and Winchester, Virginia and then beamed to another antenna on top of an office building in Arlington where it is recorded on a computer hard drive.
The computer also records you phone digital serial number, which is used to identify you through your wireless company phone bill that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency already has on record as part of your permanent file.

A series of sophisticated computer programs listens to your phone conversation and looks for “keywords” that suggest suspicious activity. If it picks up those words, an investigative file is opened and sent to the Department of Homeland Security.[/quote]

While non of this is new news, and an email sending is not proof enough, then I can only say that if that is the case as stated above, then there must be a file on every man, woman and child in the US. These folks are keeping quite busy.
There is usually some formal reason for this kind of investigation, if it truly exists.
If I simply state the word 'take-out', I dont think a file is gonna be opened by the CIA or FBI just because of that.

I can go on and on about this, as this is a favorite subject for my brother and I. But I need sleep.


Good nigh-t'all.


Peace.

[musturde]

Bruce, I can understand you being against the war, but ur accepting a very extreme view. There are a lot of Bush haters out there, especially out of the U.S. While I agree, in politics, you have to do things for the better of ur own country, I highly doubt he'd go that far. I, a Middle Eastern, have learned a little about Iraq's history and why America's new Government for Iraq is kinda a waste of time and the Country will end up having a civil war but at least they took out Sadam. (all in all it smells of elderberries and rocks at the same time, rules now, smells of elderberries later)

[Joseph]

[quote name='musturde' date='Jun 15 2004, 08:39 PM'] Bruce, I can understand you being against the war, but ur accepting a very extreme view. There are a lot of Bush haters out there, especially out of the U.S. While I agree, in politics, you have to do things for the better of ur own country, I highly doubt he'd go that far. I, a Middle Eastern, have learned a little about Iraq's history and why America's new Government for Iraq is kinda a waste of time and the Country will end up having a civil war but at least they took out Sadam. (all in all it smells of elderberries and rocks at the same time, rules now, smells of elderberries later) [/quote]
Yeah, unfortunately the so-called "government" being set up in Iraq won't last very long once we leave and it will be a mess. Now that we are there, we have to stay for the present time. I don't think there's much that can be done to change what will happen in the future.