veritasluxmea Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic. We live in an oligarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We all live in a yellow submarine. Yellow submarine, yellow submarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic. Broadly speaking we have adopted democratic principles for the political face of modern society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Democracy is one acceptable choice among many. For now we seem stuck with it, but I happen to think it is one of the worst available options. Catholic Monarchism ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The catechism says voting is a civil duty and that it's a sin not to. Write-ins are a thing. Write-ins are pointless, and voting is a sham. If the action were meaningful, then not participating in it would be problematic. In this case, it's the equivalent of not sharing a chain letter--the action is not in any way connected to any outcomes in the world. You have more effect by paying certain interest groups to purchase the support of those who win popularity contests. Politicians have absolutely zero principles. They are whores. They will please whomever gives them enough money, even if that person isn't a voter. I've not only read the catechism, I've taught it. I'm familiar with the portions you're using as proof-texts. I'd say the whole supports my decision as moral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Catholic Monarchism ftw. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Broadly speaking we have adopted democratic principles for the political face of modern society. "We" haven't adopted anything. It was decided in every "country" by a very few individuals what form of rule every one else would endure. Unless you're very, very old, or a current member of the oligarchy, there is no "we" in that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 "We" haven't adopted anything. It was decided in every "country" by a very few individuals what form of rule every one else would endure. Unless you're very, very old, or a current member of the oligarchy, there is no "we" in that decision. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metonymy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metonymy flashbacks to English class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I realize that you are exaggerating but this is just silly. I do not know whether he is sold out. Carson said something that most African Americans would find offensive. Again - do you even understand why? And I find it quite amusing that you deem yourself qualified to pontificate on who is and who is not a sellout. You are not African American and you have no idea what it is to be black. But yet you feel that you are qualified to give your opinion concerning who has betrayed a community of which you are not a part of and which you do not understand. It's rather audacious. Identity politics are silly. Setting politics and racialism aside, the fact is that Dr. Carson has made immensely greater positive contributions to society than Barry Obama, Al Sharpton, or any number of other self-appointed "Black leaders." I can explain why Carson's comments are offensive but I choose not to. Some things a man needs to figure out for himself. As for whatever Joe Biden said - I made no statement concerning whether those statements are racist or not. Feel free to start a thread on it if you desire. It's the lack of offense at similar comparisons of things to slavery when made by folks on the Left (which are common) that needs explaining. While you haven't told your own thoughts on Biden's remark, there seemed to be very little outrage about it from the left (if there was, I was unaware of it), and apparently none from the black audience cheering him afterwards. You yourself seem a lot more upset over what Carson said. To give another example, last spring Al Sharpton compared Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act to slavery and Jim Crow. Is any one calling him an "Uncle Tom" or "clown in blackface"? (Actually I think I do have the cause of the gross double-standard figured out; it's nothing but partisan politics as usual. But if you have any further insights on it, feel free to enlighten me.) Edited August 21, 2015 by Socrates formatting issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Also, the irony of liberals promoting an old white male is killing me. Old white males are okay so long as they're leftist morons. Of course, now the Jackass Party has the pleasure of choosing between him and an old white female crook. (Okay, I'm sorry for saying "leftist morons." It's a redundant phrase.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedictus Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Catholic Monarchism ftw. Unitl a royal is born who's a liberal. Then you'll be crying like babies with nowhere to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The amount of spending that occurs during campaigns is just utterly numbing. I wish the US would wake up, overturn Citizens United and do away with this insanity. Too bad corporations arent as willing to donate such HUGE sums to worthy things like charities. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/19/432759311/2016-campaign-tv-ad-spending?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150819 So the answer is that federal government needs to do more to regulate political speech. Having the fox guard the hen house is always a brilliant idea. Write-ins are pointless, and voting is a sham. If the action were meaningful, then not participating in it would be problematic. In this case, it's the equivalent of not sharing a chain letter--the action is not in any way connected to any outcomes in the world. You have more effect by paying certain interest groups to purchase the support of those who win popularity contests. Politicians have absolutely zero principles. They are whores. They will please whomever gives them enough money, even if that person isn't a voter. I've not only read the catechism, I've taught it. I'm familiar with the portions you're using as proof-texts. I'd say the whole supports my decision as moral. Don't waste time by voting. Instead waste more time by endlessly posting on teh interwebz about what a waste of time it is. That'll keep the statist bastages out of power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I've just discovered who Trump is (by his quote on McCain), and my first reflex who to check if he was popular here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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