God's love being infinite

[MarysLittleFlower]

Nihil, Nihil, Nihil. You don't get it, do you? God's love isn't conditional. That's human love.

Sure, He may have to act with justice according to our actions (witness Adam and Eve), but it doesn't affect His love for the individual. Once again, He gives equally, but not all accept equally.That's free will.

Maybe we would call it 'tough love'. I don't know. But the point is that we can't possibly comprehend the love that God has for each and every one of us. That's why the Cross is such an inconceivable act of love. God loves infinitely and always. But as finite humans, we can never truly comprehend God's love. that would be like trying to comprehend the Trinity. Some things really are beyond the understanding of even the very great and learned theologians and can't be wrapped up all nice and neat in a box. God's love is just one of those things. 

Tough love is for a person to grow... In hell there's no more hope, they just aren't receiving His love. There'snothing for Him to love because there is only evil forever. But God is still love and I believe Jesus grieves extremely deeply for the loss of these souls because He did love who He planned He is still love but its not entering these souls and they are cast out, with nothing good in them and no hope. Of course God didn't want this, He died to save them but they made a choice.

What do you think of this Nunsense and Nihil? 

You might have to explain the concept of God loving in two ways a little more for me, MLF, because I don't really see it the way you have said it yet.

To me, God IS love.He is infinite.His love is infinite because He is His love. We are the ones who change - not Him. But I don't see it as 'Our Lady can receive more' as much as 'Our Lady chooses to accept more.' Free will. Then we might get into things like, why do some people choose to accept more etc but that isn't the question we started with, which is 'does God love some people more than others?' And I still say no.

But by all means explain it again and I will try to understand.

But now I have to go off to my volunteer work. Back online when I can...

i think what I mean is God is always Love but souls receive in different degrees. Choice can be involved but I think its a mystery because God also gives knowing the heart. Without His grace we can't turn to.Him at all. For example if we receive one grace well that disposes to more graces. God doesn't give all those graces at once because we can't take them - rather its like a chain - one leading to the next. I believe He would like to give more but souls refuse. He seeks souls He can give grace to that others refuse. But He doesn't force the graces on them so He gives more to those who are well disposed. With Our Lady He chose her to be His Mother from her Conception. Even though she needed to give her Fiat, He made her with this plan - not as a regular woman who happened to choose. She needed the graces He prepared for her and He prepared very much. So there's also the plan He has for each person and some are bigger 'glasses' than others and some are roses and others are little flowers... But each is perfectly loved and happy with enough for their salvation. Some are given more and so more is asked for them. Why are they given more? I don't know but - could be that their mission is greater... Some souls are more generous... Its a mystery to me. 

I actually don't get this part: do some have a greater mission because they are more generous or are they more generous because they were given greater graces for their mission? Or something else or even both? I mean we need God's grace yet we are free... Its like the question of salvation. We are free yet we can't come to God without grace. And some souls need more grace just to be saved and our vocation is for our salvation too. Jesus said He often chooses the weakest souls. 

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Jesus said He often chooses the weakest souls. 

When did He say this? Do you have a scripture reference for it or is it some saint's private revelation? Just curious. I haven't time for more now...

[KnightofChrist]

But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong. 1 Corinthians 1:27   

 

 

[MarysLittleFlower]

When did He say this? Do you have a scripture reference for it or is it some saint's private revelation? Just curious. I haven't time for more now...

There are Scripture verses indicating this but I was thinking of some private revelations that are about religious life to some Catholic mystics (Sr Mary of the Holy Trinity, Sr Consolata Betrone etc). 

[Nihil Obstat]

Now, now, don't get all upset.  

Frankly you are sounding incredibly condescending. Not sure if it was intended or not, but if it was unintentional you would probably want to know.

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Frankly you are sounding incredibly condescending. Not sure if it was intended or not, but if it was unintentional you would probably want to know.

But if it's unintentional, why would I want to know? - JJ

Look, Nihil, I can see how what I posted might sound condescending, but I can't help it if that's the mindset you were in when you read it. I am only responsible for what I intended when I wrote it, and I was sincerely wondering why you sounded upset. Your statement, 'I  understand the issue just fine. I just disagree with you, and I know that I am safe it doing so as regards my orthodoxy.'  

Well, that sounded either a little condescending to me (telling me you are right and I am wrong and nah, nah, nah), or just plain old upset at me for not agreeing with you, and I chose to interpret it as upset so as to give you the benefit of the doubt, and hence, my response. I try to lighten the mood when things appear to get too  - [insert appropriate adjective here]

I don't choose to have conflict with anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with anyone either, as long as I agree with the teachings of the Church. And in the matter of God's love, I sincerely doubt I have crossed any borders over into heresy, so I am as comfortable with my orthodoxy as you are with yours. Now it could be that we are simply not understanding each other and might be closer than we think, but I doubt it. I am not of the hell fire and brimstone fraternity, and I don't presume to know either who is in hell or how God feels about those who have not lived up to their potential. And the Church has made no definitive statement about who is in hell either or just how much God loves anyone. Theologians may debate the issue, but as far as I know, there is no dogma attached to this topic yet. I am sure you would know if there was?

So, back to the issue at hand- if you are not upset, then I retract my concern for your well being about that. But then we come down to the issue of whether or not you were just trying to be condescending to me? 

hmmm ... interesting thread so far ... 

[Nihil Obstat]

A condescending denial of being condescending. I think that is my cue to exit this thread.

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A condescending denial of being condescending. I think that is my cue to exit this thread.

You just can't win with some people! Oy vay!