dUSt Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Budge' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:32 PM'] There is no truth in false faiths. [/quote] What? So, Judaism believes in one God. This is not true? Are you saying that there is more than one God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Budge' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:32 PM'] First find me one time where they openly witness at any of these interfaith events and say something along the lines of "Let me tell you about Jesus Christ" I have yet to find it. [/quote] That's because Catholics don't preach that way! Remeber what St. Francis said. Most non-Christians, and in fact even most of the non-devout Christians, get really turned off by the "let me tell you about Jesus Christ" statement. This direct approach, while straight to the point, is not extremely effective. It works when people are in a noticable moment of sorrow, but the average secular person who is pretty satisfied with their life and doesn't realize he needs something more isn't going to listen to you for very long. Instead, Catholics preach by living the Word. That's why there are so many Catholic hospitals, Catholic charities, Catholic pro-life groups, etc. I think I can be a much better witness to my faith by living virtuously and letting it show. If people see that I'm happy, they may then wonder why. As far as witnessing to the poor, the sick, the homeless, etc., the bible doesn't tell us to hand bibles out to these people. Instead, we are directed by the bible to give money the poor, care for the sick, give shelter to the homeless, etc. You can get a much greater attention out of a hungry man by giving him food as opposed to handing him a bible and telling him he needs to be saved. He wants to eat, that's his first problem! Anyways, to apply this to this interfaith event, I guarantee you no one would show up to the next one if the Pope spoke up about how everyone else is condemned to hell and they need to accept Jesus. Instead, the Pope will let the love of Christians show at the conference and plant the seeds of the true Faith in them. As an analogy, if you were a republican, and a democrat friend of yours invited you over to a friendly dinner and gave a speech to you about why you should become a democrat, you probably would be offended and wouldn't come back over again, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Besides that point, I think we'd attract people to the faith by our open-mindedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 [quote name='Budge' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:32 PM'] There is no truth in false faiths. [/quote] Uh, Romans 2:15?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted June 19, 2004 Share Posted June 19, 2004 Budge have you ever been part of someone's conversion? i ask because you seem to say the outline of converting someone resembles the following: 1. Hey you're wrong 2. Hey I'm right 3. Why don't you convert it's not this simple in converting a single person, the conversion of a single person usually involves many encounters the first of which is to usually establish your credibility by *their* criteria. then many many discussions later you come around to correcting certain errors in their thought. the ecumenical movement is not about converting a single person rather it is about converting an entire religion, this will of course lead to several individual conversions but if the conversion of one person may take decades the the conversion of groups will almost certainly take decades and possibly even centuries. but it is a good way of getting no where fast to simply say hey you're wrong. the CC instead would rather say "you're saying this... and it's mostly right but it doesn't quite work because ... " bruising someone's ego has the lowest success rate of any attempt at conversion, a good kick in the pants can do wonders but only when it is begun and followed with love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted June 19, 2004 Share Posted June 19, 2004 Budge, you are being logically inconsistent. Judaism teaches that there is one God. If there is no truth in false religions then there can't be one God. False religions are true in so far as they mirror Christianity. Only where they contradict Christianity, and where they make claims over and above Christianity, are they false. That having been said, I agree that Christ needs to be preached at these inter faith meetings. It's not enough to tell Jews, Muslims, Pagans, etc. that they have part of the truth; one must also tell them that they lack a great deal of the truth and that the entire truth is necessary for salvation. This is where today's ecumenism fails miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted June 20, 2004 Author Share Posted June 20, 2004 [quote]Budge have you ever been part of someone's conversion? i ask because you seem to say the outline of converting someone resembles the following:[/quote] I am a newbie Christian but actually I have. My husband is getting closer to coming to Christ when before he was agnostic. I have led people to Christ online as part of a group. One more directly, so its happened. I have led one friend out of Wicca though she is not quite a Christian she is asking me questions about God and Bible Prophecy and given up witchcraft. Its silly for you all to say I am mean to unbelievers. My best friend is a UU, I also have contact with many unbelievers. I can talk to all of them. I do talk to them about Jesus. In fact I have New Agers, and others over to my home constantly. My family is all Catholic with one exception. The only fund. Christians I know are my church members and a couple friends. I have a EO friend too and friends who are atheists. I am not silent and live and witness my faith. You need to LIVE AND SPEAK IT. Not just one or the other. [quote]the ecumenical movement is not about converting a single person rather it is about converting an entire religion, this will of course lead to several individual conversions but if the conversion of one person may take decades the the conversion of groups will almost certainly take decades and possibly even centuries. but it is a good way of getting no where fast to simply say hey you're wrong.[/quote] You cant convert a religion and how is this Biblical? (Judaism is an exception, because they know Jehovah) know I wrote that elsewhere. Christ stills needs preached to them though. And yes you are right they are failing to preach Christ. I havent seen Jesus preached at any of these interfaith meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I see many people have fallen for the 'Same God' junk here. Maybe the Church should do an ACCURATE study of history, instead of a biased one that only leads to the death of christianity. Im sick of hearing they worship the same God, they respect Jesus and Mary, they wanna be one with christians..well maybe we should look at the[b] BYZANTINES[/b], [b]GREEKS, ROMANS, BOSNIANS, AFRIKAANS, SUDANESE[/b]. Yes these people respect Christians, christ etc, and they show it by cutting their heads off..wow [i]SHOW ME THE LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 cutting our heads off? Sorry RC, didn't understand that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='musturde' date='Jun 21 2004, 12:29 PM'] cutting our heads off? Sorry RC, didn't understand that one... [/quote] Cutting their heads off. * Aint Christian * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='Budge' date='Jun 20 2004, 02:50 PM'] You cant convert a religion and how is this Biblical? [/quote] What do you mean 'convert a religion'? Do you mean how Judaism became Christianity? That's Biblical and you can call it 'conversion' of a religion. All of us are converted from sinners to practicing Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 (Judaism is an exception, because they know Jehovah) No such name..Its a mistranslation of YHWH, so who you talking to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote]You cant convert a religion and how is this Biblical?[/quote] I would like to note that, yes, in fact, you can. AND it has been done before. After the Great Schism there were a whole bunch of different Churches in Egypt, Syria, and throughout the Middle East that sprang up. the Greek Orthodox Church was definately the most dominant, but there were lots of splits and fracture Churches that came off of it. Some people remained faithful to the Holy See and these groups became the Byzantine Rite of the Catholic Church. Many of the Churches that branched off of the Greek Orthodox Church have since [i]come back into communion[/i] with Rome. Not small groups of people. Whole Churches. Rome has done it in the past, and it wasn't, as you (Budge) would have it. It was through patience, openness, and talking. THAT is what ecumenism is about. Also, just to give you an even more ancient and close-to-Jesus example: The Roman Empire. It was, for all sakes and purposes, part of the religion to worship the Emperor as a God. Enter Constantine: Enter Conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity. So riddle me this: If the Emperor is, according to the religion, "A God," and he converts to Christianity, and the old religion dies out as a result, how is that [i]not[/i] converting a religion. Budge, it might be hard to accept, but it HAS been done in the past, and it CAN be done in the future. All we need is some serious prayer from the faithful, and a contrite and humble heart. - Your Brother in Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Jun 20 2004, 10:44 PM'] I see many people have fallen for the 'Same God' junk here. Maybe the Church should do an ACCURATE study of history, instead of a biased one that only leads to the death of christianity. Im sick of hearing they worship the same God, they respect Jesus and Mary, they wanna be one with christians..well maybe we should look at the[b] BYZANTINES[/b], [b]GREEKS, ROMANS, BOSNIANS, AFRIKAANS, SUDANESE[/b]. Yes these people respect Christians, christ etc, and they show it by cutting their heads off..wow [i]SHOW ME THE LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[/i] [/quote] Christians Jews and Muslims worship the same God, since there is only ONE GOD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jun 21 2004, 11:58 PM'] Christians Jews and Muslims worship the same God, since there is only ONE GOD!!! [/quote] Who according to Church teaching and Apostolic teaching as? GOD THE FATHER< GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. You cant deny what God is and still worship the same God, thats illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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