Gabriela Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Is that possible on any forum anywhere? Where are these magical non-discursive, stay-on-topic forums I keep hearing about?! In the "Serious Intellectual Discussion Only" subphorum we need to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 In the "Serious Intellectual Discussion Only" subphorum we need to have. the original Lame Board was created to keep the Inane post away from attempts at an intelligent conversation. That failed rather quickly. But the lane board still remains it's just underutilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 In the "Serious Intellectual Discussion Only" subphorum we need to have. Transmundane Lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Transmundane Lane. Could we then purge this thread of the off-topic posts and move it to the TL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Transmundane Lane. I think the no debating rule should be relaxed on that board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Could we then purge this thread of the off-topic posts and move it to the TL? Meh. I think the no debating rule should be relaxed on that board. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) ten pages later and I still don't know what a neocatholic is. Edited August 1, 2015 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragon Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I really find articles like this to be a massive distraction from the far more important priorities of evangelising and caring for the poor (you know, the two things Jesus told us to do before He ascended into heaven). There are so many people who do not know God. There are so many people who suffer from poverty (both material and spiritual). There are so many things that we should be focusing on our time and energy on. Very few people have the luxury of sitting around and engaging in arm chair theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 I really find articles like this to be a massive distraction from the far more important priorities of evangelising and caring for the poor (you know, the two things Jesus told us to do before He ascended into heaven). There are so many people who do not know God. There are so many people who suffer from poverty (both material and spiritual). There are so many things that we should be focusing on our time and energy on. Very few people have the luxury of sitting around and engaging in arm chair theology. Well. Modernism is pretty ambivalent on the actual, practical necessity of evangelization. There is really no sense in which your average traditional Catholic layperson sits around doing armchair theology at the expense of corporal and spiritual works of mercy. That is just not the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Credo, the thing is free masonry in it's completeness is a heresy, protestantism isnt and nore is buddihsm but protestantism contains more of the truth than buddhism and the holy roman catholic church more than any actually the holy roman catholic church contains the whole truth in it's completeness. Holy mother church teaches this in the catechsim, not the free mason bit but the rest of what i have declared. Tab - Protestantism has various heresies and anything they have right in theology (like Christ being God) they got from the Catholic Church. Protestantism is hersey aka almost all black people who are Christians really don't know God aka Saved by Grace through Faith in Catholicism really doesn't count for much. Josh I don't understand why when we are talking about Protestantism you say we are talking about black people. Firstly there are black Catholics. Secondly the reason we disagree with Protestantism is theological not race related. Thirdly no one is commenting on their relationship with God. We are talking about ideas in their theology. Did I believe in God and try to love Him as a Protestant? Yes. Was I agreeing with some Protestant heresies? Yes. The reason I recognised God's voice calling me to Catholicism is because I had a relationship with Him already but I was also sinning in ways by holding on to heretical ideas especially when I felt I should leave, so i wasn't fully ignorant. Since I can't know where other people are we are not talking about ideas. But I don't think we can assume that all Protestants are invincibly ignorant (we just can't say who is who) and we can't say Protestantism itself leads to salvation. Just because we can't assume immediate salvation for non Catholics doesn't mean we judge them. By the way we don't assume salvation for ourselves either! Of course though we do believe salvation comes through the Church and that we are receiving help and we can reasonably believe to be in a state of grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It ties together. Catlick has made racist post in the past. I'm not going to go search for them. One of them I remember was that it's okay for white business owners to only hire white people. There are other statements too. How it ties together with this is that most black people who identify as Christian aren't Catholic. So when you go saying a bunch of negative things about their faith n beliefs and you add the racist remarks she/he has said in the past it's not cool. If you can't see this or don't agree with me that's fine. I don't really care. I've seen racism my whole life. It started in 2nd grade when my black friend got called the n word repeatedly on the bus. I'm really over self righteous pharisee Catholics who want to take about all of the Black Christians and equate their faith in Christ to heresy. Why would black people even want to convert when a whole bunch of Catholics go on and on about how great the Confederate flag is. I believe the Catholic Church holds the full truth but thus kind of stuff tempts me to find a non denominational church where black and white people worship God together. not all Catholics talk about the race issue though .. In my parish we have both races. I never posted any Confederate flag but I'm Canadian. I think whatever people say about race here - that doesn't reflect on the Church as a whole. The Church isnt a political American entity.. . Tab - I think what he is saying is every Baptism is a grace from the Church even for non Catholics. If someone is baptized as a baby in a non Catholic community they aren't guilty of heresy unless later they actually believe a heresy knowingly and willfully - but the level or presence of personal guilt we don't determine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) Josh I don't understand why when we are talking about Protestantism you say we are talking about black people. Firstly there are black Catholics. Secondly the reason we disagree with Protestantism is theological not race related. Thirdly no one is commenting on their relationship with God. We are talking about ideas in their theology. Did I believe in God and try to love Him as a Protestant? Yes. Was I agreeing with some Protestant heresies? Yes. The reason I recognised God's voice calling me to Catholicism is because I had a relationship with Him already but I was also sinning in ways by holding on to heretical ideas especially when I felt I should leave, so i wasn't fully ignorant. Since I can't know where other people are we are not talking about ideas. But I don't think we can assume that all Protestants are invincibly ignorant (we just can't say who is who) and we can't say Protestantism itself leads to salvation. Just because we can't assume immediate salvation for non Catholics doesn't mean we judge them. By the way we don't assume salvation for ourselves either! Of course though we do believe salvation comes through the Church and that we are receiving help and we can reasonably believe to be in a state of grace. I get what you're saying. I understand Nihi or most others aren't singling out black Christians. All I'm saying from my understanding most black Christians aren't Catholic. So when someone like Catlick makes racist comments or someone who goes on and on about how great the Confederate flag is attacks Protestantism and how awful it is it looks suspect in my book. The Bible repeatedly says over and over we are saved by grace through our faith in Jesus Christ. I get that isn't the "complete truth" but it's a good part of it. God isn't mocked and faith without works is dead. So I understand the error in once saved always saved. You can't just believe then do whatever and have blind hope you're going to Heaven. Some Catholics take it to the opposite extreme though and act as if we have no idea if we're going to end up in hell. The Bible tells us in John we can KNOW we will be saved and have eternal life. God will never forsake us. If you walk with Him and live in love and repent you can have confidence in your salvation. All I'm saying is there are a good portion of sincere non Catholic Christians who love God and a good majority of black Christians don't identify as Catholic. To equate their faith in Christ to just simply heresy is messed up in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. It won't be the first time nor the last. But either way there are a bunch of great Christians who are a great witness to God and his love who don't identify as Catholic. And I find when they are discounted right from the jump for simply not being Catholic it's a problem. The sincere non Catholics love God just as much as sincere Catholics do. And God loves them just as much not less. Edited August 1, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) I really find articles like this to be a massive distraction from the far more important priorities of evangelising and caring for the poor (you know, the two things Jesus told us to do before He ascended into heaven). There are so many people who do not know God. There are so many people who suffer from poverty (both material and spiritual). There are so many things that we should be focusing on our time and energy on. Very few people have the luxury of sitting around and engaging in arm chair theology. Again, that is a red herring. The two are not mutually exclusive, and we need both. After all, when the flood of converts to the Catholic Faith comes pouring in as a result of the unceasing efforts of our brethren to evangelize the lost masses (), what are those new converts going to believe? That's what we're discussing. Edited August 1, 2015 by Gabriela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 and we can't say Protestantism itself leads to salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ leads to salvation. Being Protestant doesn't in itself lead to salvation anymore then being Catholic leads to salvation. A sincere faith in Christ that leads to a life of love and repentance leads to salvation. It's funny how the Mediator of Meh edits my comment and calls me out for calling Catlick a racist yet just deletes the post of the racist picture he/she posted. Why don't you chastise him/ her the same way you did me? Why just delete their post so no one even knows it was posted? It's funny how the Mediator of Meh edits my comment and calls me out for calling Catlick a racist yet just deletes the post of the racist picture he/she posted. Why don't you chastise him/ her the same way you did me? Why just delete their post so no one even knows it was posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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