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Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

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I neither insist nore implore that people have my opinion, please avoid interpreting my intentions, and Jesus is all of the above, he is God almighty.

If you don't want to discuss your opinions,then the answer is simple, don't post them here.

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i do want to discuss them, dont be such a wounded bull, relax nunsense and trust in the spirit that we are gathered here in jesus name, and not our own, i know i am. :) and please stop hyjacking the thread and making this about me. Please lets get back to the discussion.

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i do want to discuss them, dont be such a wounded bull, relax nunsense and trust in the spirit that we are gathered here in jesus name, and not our own, i know i am. :)

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Nihil Obstat


[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

[26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof. [28] And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. [29] For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees.

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[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

[26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof. [28] And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. [29] For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees.

amen amen. Jesus iz LORD! The magesterium is not above the word but caretakers of the word.

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[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

[26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof. [28] And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. [29] For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees.

and 

Matt 18:17 *And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican

Ver. 17. Tell the church. This not only shews the order of fraternal correction, but also every man's duty in submitting to the judgment of the Church. (Witham) --- There cannot be a plainer condemnation of those who make particular creeds, and will not submit the articles of their belief to the judgment of the authority appointed by Christ. (Haydock)

The Church is the authority Christ established. The Church speaks for Christ.  When you say the Church is fallible you are saying Christ is fallible.

 

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From Dei Filius, adopted 24 April 1870:

Chapter 3:

 Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed.

And since, without faith, it is impossible to please God, and to attain to the fellowship of his children, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will any one obtain eternal life unless he shall have persevered in faith unto the end. And, that we may be able to satisfy the obligation of embracing the true faith, and of constantly persevering in it, God has instituted the Church through his only-begotten Son, and has bestowed on it manifest notes of that institution, that it may be recognized by all men as the guardian and teacher of the revealed Word; for to the Catholic Church alone belong all those many and admirable tokens which have been divinely established for the evident credibility of the Christian faith. Nay, more, the Church by itself, with its marvelous extension, its eminent holiness, and its inexhaustible fruitfulness in every good thing, with its Catholic unity and its invincible stability, is a great and perpetual motive of credibility, and an irrefutable witness of its own divine mission.

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I guarentee you nihil that a hurricane has been battering my house non stop for 7 years. :) but aye alleluia, praise and glory to HIS holy name.

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amen amen. Jesus iz LORD! The magesterium is not above the word but caretakers of the word.

Yes. Steward and authentic (read: infallible) interpreter.

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The Church is the authority Christ established. The Church speaks for Christ.  When you say the Church is fallible you are saying Christ is fallible.

 

Than we will wait for a priest or deacon or bishop to correct me than shall we, or correct you, and dont put words into my mouth please refrain from doing this. You people seem to be good at this.

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I guarentee you nihil that a hurricane has been battering my house non stop for 7 years. :) but aye alleluia, praise and glory to HIS holy name.

And tragedy of tragedies, you seem to have given way to the hurricane. Perhaps you should have founded your own house on a rock, rather than the sand of your own interpretations.

[1] The words of Ecclesiastes, the son of David, king of Jerusalem. [2] Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes vanity of vanities, and all is vanity. [3] What hath a man more of all his labour, that he taketh under the sun? [4] One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth standeth for ever. [5] The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again,

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Than we will wait for a priest or deacon or bishop to correct me than shall we, or correct you, and dont put words into my mouth please refrain from doing this. You people seem to be good at this.

I have the pope himself, Pius IX, correcting you in Dei Filius. Now it falls on you to reject your errors and confess the one true Faith.

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no not phish sticks. A lynch mob.

I have the pope himself, Pius IX, correcting you in Dei Filius. Now it falls on you to reject your errors and confess the one true Faith.

he again neither states nore to me even hints that the Magesterium is infallible, directly show me the bit that you think does this. Highlite it.

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