Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Pax domini vobiscum. Just a quick word of advice that this is a discussion and not open to debate and if you rebuke what i'm about to say than you have to understand that it is quiet possible that you have fallen into heresy. And of course dUSt is the supreme ruler and i don't have much say in anything really even though i have begun this thread. Ok. 1.i am worried that perhaps under the current christian world climate without belittling the natural union between 1 man and women that unfortunately perhaps we are making an idol out of marriage and that in fact only Jesus saves and not marriage. That although marriage is good the communion of the spirit and fellowship of the saints is far greater and more likely to save ( Jesus 'this is my body and my blood do this in memory of me, whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood will be saved, wherever any two or more are gathered in my name i shall be there.') Ok and, 2. That also without belittling the Magesterium that again ONLY JESUS SAVES, and that the Magesterium could be wrong some of the time, half the time or most of the time,idk, but my point is that we shouldn't follow the Magesterium blindly but that we should follow them with open eyes, the Magesterium is a body of men and not GOD therefore fallible. The holy bible warns us to stay awake and we have been asleep for far to long, or is this just an awakening. "Arise sleeper AWAKE from amongst the dead and Christ will enlighten thee." P.s. When the shepards fall asleep than you better hope there are good sheep dogs about to protect the flock otherwise the wolves come in and run riot scattering the sheep and slaughtering them, one may ask "Where were the sheep dogs in all of this?" i can not answer that question, perhaps there were but they where overcome or most where killed in ww1 and ww2. But the upside is the new batch of puppies are coming through and will endevour to go heard in the lost sheep and chase away the dastardly wolfies. P.s.s. " STAY AWAKE! " Onward christian souls. Jesus iz LORD. God iz Good. I could be wrong by the way. Only God is perfect. To be perfect like the father is perfect is to have faith in Jesus as he has faith in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The Magisterium is infallible. @dUSt, can we do a fish tag for Tabby? This is the second time he has claimed that the Magisterium is not infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 show me the documents please that state clearly that the Magesterium is infallible nihil. Have you considered that perhaps many are decieved on this matter or at least misled and or perhaps are reading documents wrongly? And i don't mean absolute heresy, just on these particular matters. Or perhaps i am the one that is wrong in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) @Tab'le De'Bah-Rye: you are the one who is wrong. * The teaching office 888 Bishops, with priests as co-workers, have as their first task "to preach the Gospel of God to all men," in keeping with the Lord's command.415 They are "heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers" of the apostolic faith "endowed with the authority of Christ."416 889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith."417 890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms: 891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421 892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent"422 which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p4.htm Edited July 19, 2015 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 @dUSt - either a Phishy tag or a Cordial Non-Catholic tag or a Protestant tag or something - but definitely Tab's posts are no longer preaching Catholic teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith."417 If you see it has switched from bishops to Church. And also read carefully how it says "a share in HIS OWN INFALLIBILTY" It has nothing to do with our own infallibilty amigos. Hold up still reading, didn't read the whole thing. Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye wait up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The 'fact of the matter' is that your interpretation of infallibility and the Magisterium is totally, utterly contrary to the Church's own understanding and infallible teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) no i still read it as the magesterium is teaching about christs infallibilty and not her own, and that she is in a particular communion with christ of service to the body. The 'fact of the matter' is that your interpretation of infallibility and the Magisterium is totally, utterly contrary to the Church's own understanding and infallible teachings. proove it! How can you read that document any differently it says" His infallibilty" as in Christs! That is the meaning of infallibilty in this document as far as i can tell. Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Then you are reading it wrong. The Magisterium is infallible because that infallibility has been explicitly and supernaturally granted through Christ's own authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) @dUSt - either a Phishy tag or a Cordial Non-Catholic tag or a Protestant tag or something - but definitely Tab's posts are no longer preaching Catholic teaching. you are so self assured, i doubt self assurance is a good thing. Be assured that christ is faithful though. Then you are reading it wrong. The Magisterium is infallible because that infallibility has been explicitly and supernaturally granted through Christ's own authority. It doesn't say that. You perhaps are the one reading it wrong, have you even considered that and given serious contemplation and prayer to everything i have said and revealed, or are you just a wounded bull in a china shop? No pun intended, slow down, relax. I am a serious about my convictions as you are of yours, lets continue to just discuss this and not allow it to become a debate. Perhaps we are both wrong and neither 100% correct, perhaps with further discussion amongst the bretheren the truth will be revealed. ) Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I am quite sure that you are entirely wrong on this topic. My opinions do not matter. Only the Church's opinion on the subject matters. @dUSt - either a Phishy tag or a Cordial Non-Catholic tag or a Protestant tag or something - but definitely Tab's posts are no longer preaching Catholic teaching. Since Tab continues to claim to be Catholic, and continually misrepresents Church teaching, only a fish tag is truly appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 you are so self assured, i doubt self assurance is a good thing. Be assured that christ is faithful though. It doesn't say that. You perhaps are the one reading it wrong, have you even considered that and given serious contemplation and prayer to everything i have said and revealed, or are you just a wounded bull in a china shop? No pun intended, slow down, relax. I am a serious about my convictions as you are of yours, lets continue to just discuss this and not allow it to become a debate. Tab, yes, I am self assured about the fact that you are no longer preaching Catholic doctrine. You appear to be using Jesus like a talisman - something to ward off evil rather than someONE who established a Church. To use the 'Jesus Saves' mantra over and over is a simplistic approach to our religion. Yes, Jesus does save, but He isn't a 'magic rabbit's foot' to wave around at people over and over again, hoping that repetition of the phrase will somehow convert everyone to your way of thinking. Your thinking has slipped over the edge into some very fundamentalist Protestant teachings. The Catholic Church is rich in sacred tradition and the teachings of the Magesterium, which you seem to despise, or at least dismiss whenever it suits you to do so. If you don't want something to become a debate, then you probably shouldn't post remarks that contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Perhaps we are both wrong and neither 100% correct, perhaps with further discussion amongst the bretheren the truth will be revealed. Perhaps we are both correct to varying degrees, idk. lets find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I am quite sure that you are entirely wrong on this topic. My opinions do not matter. Only the Church's opinion on the subject matters. Since Tab continues to claim to be Catholic, and continually misrepresents Church teaching, only a fish tag is truly appropriate. I agree really but he does sound like so many fundamentalist Protestants that I know. But until he declares himself to no longer be Catholic, then of course, your are correct, a Phishy tag is more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Tab, yes, I am self assured about the fact that you are no longer preaching Catholic doctrine. You appear to be using Jesus like a talisman - something to ward off evil rather than someONE who established a Church. To use the 'Jesus Saves' mantra over and over is a simplistic approach to our religion. Yes, Jesus does save, but He isn't a 'magic rabbit's foot' to wave around at people over and over again, hoping that repetition of the phrase will somehow convert everyone to your way of thinking. Your thinking has slipped over the edge into some very fundamentalist Protestant teachings. The Catholic Church is rich in sacred tradition and the teachings of the Magesterium, which you seem to despise, or at least dismiss whenever it suits you to do so. If you don't want something to become a debate, then you probably shouldn't post remarks that contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. I neither insist nore implore that people have my opinion, please avoid interpreting my intentions, and Jesus is all of the above, he is God almighty. And just because you have read documents does not mean you know how to interpret them, that goes for everyone, me inclusive. no pun intended. Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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