superblue Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/health/medicare-to-cover-end-of-life-counseling-123578635517.html Phrased so kindly isn't it. How could it possibly be morally wrong or even sinful to have " end of life counseling ". I seriously doubt one needs counseling on how to prepare ones things before death, we have living wills, etc..... So finding a comfortable way to die.... versus extending your life because it would be " painful " not only to you but to your " loved ones ". So out of " kindness " this is now an option. So abortion is fine, and now we are finding more ways to beat around the bush of what will amount to assisted suicide.... YET how hard did Dr. Kavorkian get hammered back in the day for doing just this ? It just wasn't " acceptable " at that point in time. And more over we are supposed to believe by this article that this is just now common practice and that I guess the doctors simply want medicaid / care whatever.... to pay for their time in this " counseling ". Good times people. Blame Sarah Palin for being over dramatic yet don't blame the democratic party for making this an option, but it is okay to vote democrat morally as a Catholic well because ya know, we have to get with the times. The Constitution and lets include the Church are just out dated stone age mythological things of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 "I seriously doubt one needs counseling on how to prepare ones things before death," really? sounds like someone is overreacting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 You do understand the concept of extraordinary means which can morally be rejected, right? And that this can be a confusing topic especially given the emotions associated with death and serious injury, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaatee Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 An idea whose time has come. Along with the funding. Many patients are going to take advantage of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 One only need to look at the V.A. to see how well the Federal Government takes care of the health of those in need. There will not be enough funding to treat everyone, the nation is trillions and trillions in dept, treatment will go to those who will most contribute to society after lining the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats. Government is far to corrupt and dishonest to be trusted with the healthcare of citizens. They certainly don't trust us enough to have these discussions with our doctors without their interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 This could also potentially save lives. If someone has it in their head that they want to end their life early due to the emotion and physical duress of a terminal illness, maybe the counseling can help them get through a hard time? People might make up their mind to take their own life, but this may potentially slow the process if the counseling is a required step. IMO, it seems like a smart move either way. If I am lucky enough to be mentally aware before my death enough to receive counseling on matters before I die, that would be really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 superblue sometimes you sound like chicken little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 All hail Caesar I guess. But politicians and bureaucrats will play a HUGE role in how our health. There are plenty of real life examples of how very terrible it is at that. But meh, it doesn't matter to most people until it effects them negatively. But if anyone is interested CATO put out a paper on the dangers of this http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa632.pdf Warning it's not for those who hate reading, this is a big teal deer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 of course people should prepare for their death, of course there are exceptions to every rule, that is not what i am getting at. The disgusting part is having a government funded agency come in, and paint a rosy picture to something that it is not. Why do doctors need to be paid for what this particular issue is talking about ? I seriously doubt what this is, is simply going into your doctors office, and sitting down and talking about how to prepare medically for ones death, what type of medications one can take, etc.... That is a crock because, if you do have a terminal disease, an you are going to die either way, guess what, any doctor out there is going to provide that patient with pain killers, or what ever to ease the pain, even the new medical marijuana. So what else is there then ? If one is not terminally ill, and has a treatable disease, but is in their late 80s to mid 90s, why does that person need the government to pay a doctor to counsel them about anything ? Guess what, doctors are already telling the elderly what they should be doing as it is, it isn't like dieing is a secret. None of this " end of life counseling " this entire article should not even be discussed at all. It is nothing but another pandoras box waiting to be opened. You want " end of life counseling " ? Go talk to a psychologist, a lawyer, or here is a crazy idea, a Priest. The democrat party is not interested in helping anyone for any good moral reason pass over to the other side in a peaceful feel good way. Real doctors are out there to protect lives and save lives, not help end lives. An i know i focus too much on the Dems, but KOC nailed it, the politicians and bureaucrats are playing too big of a role in our health. Everyone wants a lower doctor bill, lower price to pay on meds, that is a no brainer, but they never ever focus on that. Obama care would have been terrific had obama simply just had his goons write a simple document capping the price of meds and doctor / hospital visits. Enjoy the laugh while ya can though, it may not personally affect anyone now, but if you have children, or grandchildren, those are the ones who will feel the real hope an change down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I think end of life counseling is great and hopefully if the government funds it, private insurance will too. Imagine if Terri Schiavo had a chance to make explicit, in writing, that she didn't want to be starved to death. Now let's say she directed the opposite, that wouldn't be right, but look what happened regardless. She's dead and the government didn't need a piece of paper from her or a "death panel" to make that happen. So an end of life directive can be the only thing standing between the government and your daily nutrition. Make sure you have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Having just sat through a meeting with my mother's doctor to go over her end-of-life wishes, I found it very helpful. Mom has dementia and did not attend the meeting. But HSDad, the doctor, NP, and I were able to discuss various options and conclude what Mom would want (based on her medical directive, my conversations with her, and our values). It's okay to allow nature to take its course when someone is at the end of life without resorting to heroic measures that are not likely to do any good. There was nothing like assisted suicide or hastening her death discussed at all. Simply a conversation about what measures should be taken in various situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) But how much do we want the government to be involved in how our doctors can advise us and do we want it to dictate when our life is near its end? Edited July 10, 2015 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 Having just sat through a meeting with my mother's doctor to go over her end-of-life wishes, I found it very helpful. Mom has dementia and did not attend the meeting. But HSDad, the doctor, NP, and I were able to discuss various options and conclude what Mom would want (based on her medical directive, my conversations with her, and our values). It's okay to allow nature to take its course when someone is at the end of life without resorting to heroic measures that are not likely to do any good. There was nothing like assisted suicide or hastening her death discussed at all. Simply a conversation about what measures should be taken in various situations. a rose by any other name is still a rose. But how much do we want the government to be involved in how our doctors can advise us and do we want it to dictate when our life is near its end? none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 we have a responsibility to face our crosses head on, to not give into an easy way out provided by a party or government agency that claims to know better and only want better for us. Our bodies are not our own, there fore we are obligated to take care of them to best of our abilities till the very end, and when it becomes difficult we become a beacon of hope to those that care for us. sugar coat the issue all one wants, there are very few exceptions to the rules in our faith.... and no one walks in expecting to hear a doctor say well mr. smith today we are going to talk about assisted suicide and or how to hasten your loved ones death. It is always with code words, words that elude to what it really is. An just because this will eventually become the norm, an legal, won't make it right. and by the logic of well its natural, if i were to give in to my " natural " thoughts / intuitions / desires, i would be dead and or in prison right now. An my claim of well it was just natural for me to do so, would not fly at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 a rose by any other name is still a rose. none Believe what you want. I was there. You weren't. And no one walks in expecting to hear a doctor say well mr. smith today we are going to talk about assisted suicide and or how to hasten your loved ones death. It is always with code words, words that elude to what it really is. An just because this will eventually become the norm, an legal, won't make it right. Do you even know what you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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