Ellenita Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 (edited) I would say the British killed her becasue they were the ones who plotted and got the bishop to condemn her. :sadder: :ph34r: :leave: Edited January 19, 2004 by Ellenita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 haha, I don't think what Church and Royal officials did in the middle ages reflects poorly on you Ellenita! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Muchas gracias God Conquers! :wub: It's a great relief! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 The transcript of the trial still exists. There is no excuse for scholars to get it wrong. Regine Pernoud wrote extensively about her. look on amazon. I've had an ebay book search for over a year on a book by this author, called "The Mystery of the Charity of Joan of Arc." If anyone knows where I could obtain a copy, pm me!! Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Anna, there are a number of books on Joan of Arc by this author at Amazon.co.uk but none exactly matching the title. However some of the titles are in French and I'm ashamed to say my French isn't good enough - could the translation be different do you think from the original French? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Hmmmmmmm. Good question! I dunno! My daughter wanted the book, and I've been searching for it for over a year now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I have always found the St. Joan story to be a little bit wierd. If she was still burned as a witch, why was the "witch" allowed to recieve communion before being publicly humiliated and burned at the stake? Since her voices mainly held a political message that condemned one party (England) and glorified the other (France), why should the Church take this into consideration for something saintly? Both monarchies were Catholic at the time and one wasn't necessarily more Christian than the other. As I recall, St. Joan once replied to an inquiry about why God is on her side by saying "God is French." I know there are miracles to back up her causes for beatification and canonization, but some of the other aspects of her story seem a little bit sketchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I don't think that she was politically motivated and her voices weren't supporting the French over the British politically, they were just telling her God's message which was to rescue the French from the burning and pillaging of France that had been going on for a long, long time. Back then the King was crowned in a type of religious ceremony, too (no separation of Church and state back then) so she was fighting to get the crown placed on the true King of France, the one God told her to crown. I must admit your position is one that I'd never heard before (interesting), but I really think that she was a saint, fighting for freedom -- that isn't so bad, is it? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 She's definitly a heroic saint who fought for freedom, and paid the ultimate price too, but I can't see why God needed France to have a French king. There was a lot of burning and raping and pillaging going on in Christendom at the time - Ireland for example. A great saint, but I don't understand the Church's position on those voices. Maybe if they were just left untouched and open to interpretation, I dunno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 A possible explanation: Tension between the Church and secular leaders in England was not merely a 16th century problem, the roots of the conflict go WAY back, and were especially inflamed during the middle ages. The canonization could possibly have been a political statement on top of the spiritual merit of St. Joan, a confirmation of the Church's endorsement of the King of France and his claims to the northern lands of the kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Don't forget, that the English kings had a legitimate claim to about half of modern France. William the Conqueror came from France (Burgundy?) and the war was between English expansion and a French king. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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