Gabriela Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I am not one of those people who knows theologians by name, but this one keeps coming up. What do we know about him? I know some theologians should be avoided, and I just want to make sure this guy isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Eh............. you will never find a traditionalist praising him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 "Congar" sounds dangerously like "Congo", which is in Africa -- Obama's familial roots are in Africa, thus making it communist by association, and communism has been denounced by the Church. So, in answer to your question, no, you cannot read anything by Congar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 "Congar" sounds dangerously like "Congo", which is in Africa -- Obama's familial roots are in Africa, thus making it communist by association, and communism has been denounced by the Church. So, in answer to your question, no, you cannot read anything by Congar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I rest my case. *Dodges thrown table* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amppax Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Some of his stuff is really good. Some of it's wacky. FWIW, he was one of the founders of Concilium, with Rahner, Kung, and Schillebeeckx. So not the best crowd. But his book on tradition is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Some of his stuff is really good. Some of it's wacky. FWIW, he was one of the founders of Concilium, with Rahner, Kung, and Schillebeeckx. So not the best crowd. But his book on tradition is pretty good. and some other dangerous theologian, like Urs von Balthazar, and Joseph Ratzinger.I read his Journal of the Concile. It (nearly) make me love dominicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Eh............. you will never find a traditionalist praising him. I hoped you'd answer. "Congar" sounds dangerously like "Congo", which is in Africa -- Obama's familial roots are in Africa, thus making it communist by association, and communism has been denounced by the Church. So, in answer to your question, no, you cannot read anything by Congar. Silly (phormer) phetus. Okay, that's clear. Next question: How is his Journal of the Council? And what about Rahner? What is "Concilium"? I ask because I'm getting to a point in my studies where it's time to start reading some of these guys themselves, rather than other people mentioning them in passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Reading the original text is always better than listening to people. I have only read (a part) of his Journal of the Council. It is easy to read (I know nothing to theology), there's even some fun stuff ("X was boring", etc...) It was written day by day, so you really live the Concile. He had a real love for the church and God, and Saint John Paul II made him a cardinal. I really liked his Journal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 and some other dangerous theologian, like Urs von Balthazar, and Joseph Ratzinger.I read his Journal of the Concile. It (nearly) make me love dominicans. Did you just call Josef Ratzinger a dangerous theologian, or was that a mistake due to the language gap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I think it was sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Did you just call Josef Ratzinger a dangerous theologian, or was that a mistake due to the language gap? It was sarcasm. I have nothing but respect to pope Benedict XVI and his work (Caritas in Veritate changed me). Amppax said the founders of Concilium were not the best crowd, but, in the founders of Concilium were Joseph Ratzinger and Urs Von Balthazar. I am sorry if it was not clear or sounded insulting.(and, if you put yourself in the point of view of, let's say, Barack Obama, Cardinal Ratzinger was/is a dangerous theologian. The truth is dangerous. It may change you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Gabriella, one day I find this book : http://www.amazon.fr/Livres/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A301061%2Cp_27%3ABouyer Louis\c Congar Yves\c Daniélou Jean Cardinal Renard "our faith", by Louis Bouyer, Car. Renart, Jean Daniélou (AMAZING theologian), and Yves Congar. I only flip through it in the library, but it was clear and interesting. It's old and I'm not sure if it is translated in english, but it could be interesting. Jean Daniélou and Louis Bouyer are both very interesting people (we really need a tread on Louis Bouyer, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I believe Congar's journal has just recently been translated into English. (Yep - this is the Canadian link, but use Dust's link to support phatmass: http://www.amazon.ca/My-Journal-Council-Yves-Congar/dp/0814680291/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1435870591&sr=8-7&keywords=yves+congar ) Also, if I'm not mistaken, Ratzinger was considered a bit of a liberal at the Council, but we all know how that turned out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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