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[superblue]

Why is this a problem? Has your Catholic faith formed your conscience to tell you that the borders should be closed?

Illegal Immigrants are the ones who are making reforming legal immigration a nightmare , coming here illegally harms everyone, it is insulting to those who go about the right way of doing things. Our borders will never close, they have always been open, for immigrants to come here legally and it isn't such a far fetched idea that legal immigration be the only way to go, plenty of countries and states hold a policy for not allowing illegal immigrants . IF globally we were to just have open borders and hold hands and sing kumbaya, then we mine as well not allow any government to control any land what so ever, and just revert to laying claim to any plot of land we can find along with throwing a ton of other rules out the door. We have a Republic for a reason. It doesn't work when politicians and the like use illegal immigrants to gain votes.

Calling people what they are, Immigrants vs Illegal Immigrants is not devaluing them, it is a title. An the real victims are not those who are here legally, or born here, it is the Illegal Immigrants who are the real victims, being used for nothing more than political gain.An then someone wants to chime in well they are coming here because America has the better health care than the rest, yet we needed for some reason the glorious obama to fix a better system than the rest of the world had.... figure that one out.  

The problem is an insanely long process for immigrants to come here and stay here legally, that is the governments problem, they created the mess, and then turn around and claim we need to just welcome everyone in with open arms. When in reality we should be on their tails like bees to honey, demanding that they just make the process to become a legal citizen simpler, and to streamline  the process... It should be nothing harder than checking for diseases, passing a criminal back ground check, and have some kind of trade skill to bring in an not just hope for the best or wait for a government check once they are in.Want it even easier to get in, have those of age enter legally through service in our military for a full contract of 8 active years.  If fighting and dieing for this country was good enough for those in the revolution it should be acceptable to those who want to come and live here for the rest of their lives. 

Freedom is not free, some where down the line it comes at a price.  The Church just does not accept any man who wants to be a priest, and there is still a priest shortage, i cant just throw on garments, and pretend i am legally a priest in the Catholic Church and expect people to accept that because i am just a good guy and mean well and want to help the church.Lastly the stupidest thing we have done, is try to put up a physical border on the Mexican /USA line, the stupid fence isn't even completed and has weak spots and gaps through out. It would be better to stop wasting money on a physical fence / wall and put that money to fixing , things that can be fixed.

Update : it is Oklahoma that is being faced with having to have a satan statue,

If everyone takes that attitude of not voting for the little guy that wont even make the paper than the little guy will never make the paper. Think about that SuperBlue.

Think about this, if me an you were to some how run against either major candidate in the next election, what do you think our chances would be on winning.

Third parties do not work, and will never work, because they time after time get trampled by the two party machine when they are threatened.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Think about this, if me an you were to some how run against either major candidate in the next election, what do you think our chances would be on winning.

Third parties do not work, and will never work, because they time after time get trampled by the two party machine when they are threatened.

Depends bro how many peoples you can rally around the candidate. Theres more to getting the right person elected than just casting your vote at election time, you need to go fishing bruh, same as fishing for Christ. You gotta rally some troops or the dream may die. Of course in Gods case that aint necessarily true coz he comin back whether we believe or not, though please do believe, hell aint fun.  The more people that rally for a third party the more chance of the third party of getting in, most perhaps are lazy voters no? Don't proselytize though, jus be friendly and show an interest in there life before you preach your message. You can do it bruh, never give up till your last breath, this is the real about the feel superblue, lazy daisies purple haze stuck in the entertainment and technology haze, get out there and do tha work bruz.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[superblue]

Depends bro how many peoples you can rally around the candidate. Theres more to getting the right person elected than just casting your vote at election time, you need to go fishing bruh, same as fishing for Christ. You gotta rally some troops or the dream may die. Of course in Gods case that aint necessarily true coz he comin back whether we believe or not, though please do believe, hell aint fun.  The more people that rally for a third party the more chance of the third party of getting in, most perhaps are lazy voters no? Don't proselytize though, jus be friendly and show an interest in there life before you preach your message. You can do it bruh, never give up till your last breath, this is the real about the feel superblue, lazy daisies purple haze stuck in the entertainment and technology haze, get out there and do tha work bruz.

 i wish i could believe a third party could be a contender , but it would take someone willing to not hold back punches, speak the truth, and fight dirty all at the same time to crack both parties square between the eyes an make em bleed. An those leaders are hard to find.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

There probably there it's just no one believes in the third parties. The more that do the more courage them have to throw the punches.  Ever tried playing soccer without a team against a full squad of ruffians, and no one on the side line cheering you on and encouraging other people to come and watch the game.?

I like you bro, you got guts and throw your punches straight direct and full effect to the best of your understanding of what is true and just. keep up the good work.  I gotta walk to maccas and get me some brekky. Peace bruh. GodblesS. Onward christian souls.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Peace]

Illegal Immigrants are the ones who are making reforming legal immigration a nightmare ,

How is that exactly? Are the illegal immigrants going down to DC and holding up picket signs to discourage politicians from passing immigration reform? Perhaps you may have a valid basis for this assertion - what is it, if I may ask?

coming here illegally harms everyone,

How is that exactly?  Coming legally would be better, of course. But it seems to me that coming here illegally is a better option for many than by choosing not to come at all. People tend not to do things that are worse for them . . .People who hire them for lower-than-average wages also seem to benefit. I think that in some cases we might also benefit from the opportunity to share the Gospel with people who may not have otherwise had a chance to come here legally.

Our borders will never close, they have always been open,

I suppose that you have never heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act?

I will try to go through the rest of your post later if I have time. I do not think many of the things you wrote are correct or logical.

[Socrates]

Why is this a problem? Has your Catholic faith formed your conscience to tell you that the borders should be closed?

My reason and common sense tell me that there should be reasonable regulations on who comes into this country - as there are in every other country - and that we should enforce the laws.

At the absolute bare minimum, we should be keeping the murderers, rapists, and drug dealers out, rather than giving them "sanctuary."

[superblue]

How is that exactly? Are the illegal immigrants going down to DC and holding up picket signs to discourage politicians from passing immigration reform? Perhaps you may have a valid basis for this assertion - what is it, if I may ask?

How is that exactly?  Coming legally would be better, of course. But it seems to me that coming here illegally is a better option for many than by choosing not to come at all. People tend not to do things that are worse for them . . .People who hire them for lower-than-average wages also seem to benefit. I think that in some cases we might also benefit from the opportunity to share the Gospel with people who may not have otherwise had a chance to come here legally.

I suppose that you have never heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act?

I will try to go through the rest of your post later if I have time. I do not think many of the things you wrote are correct or logical.

actually everything i have said is correct and logical, but i understand it is hard to understand; and throwing out a law from 1882 and pretending it is still in effect to this day ?   I never said our borders , in our history, were never closed.

But again it is our political parties the worse of the two victimizing Illegal Immigrants, making them promises off of the backs of tax paying Americans, and side stepping a process that is already in place to welcome everyone.

An are you kidding me on Illegal Immigrants not picketing DC An good grief in no way shape or form did i ever suggest to DISCOURAGE PASSING Immigration Reform I said the EXACT opposite, that there needs to be a simpler way. ? Now this isn't DC but still  https://news.yahoo.com/video/illegal-immigrants-rally-driver-licenses-184243475.html  That is just for drivers licenses !   an there is this , https://youtu.be/U-1HnOei2oA in Ga i think it was.

 

So my point is, it isn't impossible for actual Illegal Immigrants to yes picket our new secular priest obama and his socialist party of abortion supporters, to actually fix the Immigration process.  The Stupidity of all of this, is this idea of living in fear for being an illegal immigrant, that idea of fear is being pushed upon them by none other the democrat party, that everyone is out to get them and ship them back home at the drop of a hat. The reality is, even if the US military was ordered to round up Illegal immigrants, it would be next to impossible and in the end something would happen to violate at least a dozen human rights laws.

An to think that being hired at a lower wage is a benefit, is a joke as well, those illegals who are here and working illegally guess what, they can and probably more often than not get rail roaded by their employer, now you are talking about not being provided now mandated health care by the employer, fair wages, etc, and guess what that person can't go and file a complain cause woops he or she is here illegally and they don't want to be tossed out.

An sharing the Gospel, as an Excuse to say let illegal immigrants be here is another joke, Sharing the Gospel is up to us and the Church , no one else. North Korea the biggest place on lock down is still getting the Gospel brought to them come hell and high water.

 

[Peace]

actually everything i have said is correct and logical, but i understand it is hard to understand; and throwing out a law from 1882 and pretending it is still in effect to this day ?   I never said our borders , in our history, were never closed.

Well. Here is exactly what you wrote "Our borders will never close, they have always been open, for immigrants to come here legally and it isn't such a far fetched idea that legal immigration be the only way to go, plenty of countries and states hold a policy for not allowing illegal immigrants." I would imagine that when most people see another person write that our borders "have always been open" they would think that he means that our borders have not been closed for a large portion of our history. But perhaps you are operating under some different form of reasoning than I am.

The policies excluding Asians from immigrating to this country were in place well into the 1960's. We are not exactly talking about light years ago. That is two generations ago. My parents were alive when those laws were in effect.

As for the rest of your post - I will try to figure it out if I have time later. I am having a bit of difficulty understanding it at the moment.

[Yaatee]

Well. Here is exactly what you wrote "Our borders will never close, they have always been open, for immigrants to come here legally and it isn't such a far fetched idea that legal immigration be the only way to go, plenty of countries and states hold a policy for not allowing illegal immigrants." I would imagine that when most people see another person write that our borders "have always been open" they would think that he means that our borders have not been closed for a large portion of our history. But perhaps you are operating under some different form of reasoning than I am.

The policies excluding Asians from immigrating to this country were in place well into the 1960's. We are not exactly talking about light years ago. That is two generations ago. My parents were alive when those laws were in effect.

As for the rest of your post - I will try to figure it out if I have time later. I am having a bit of difficulty understanding it at the moment.

I second this. In the early decades of the twentieth century, it became very difficult for Jews to enter the US.  This had a disastrous effect on their immigration during and before WWII.  The Jews have contributed probably more to this country than any minority immigrant group.

[Didacus]

So can we blame people who voted for him?

No - that would also be racist.

My reason and common sense tell me that there should be reasonable regulations on who comes into this country - as there are in every other country - and that we should enforce the laws.

At the absolute bare minimum, we should be keeping the murderers, rapists, and drug dealers out, rather than giving them "sanctuary."

Completely agree with this!

 

The first step to becoming a new member of a country is TO FOLLOW SAID COUNTRY's laws!

If they couldn't follow the law in their own land that matches the laws in this new country (aka; murder, theft, rape, others...) than that is justification not to let them in.

Furthermore, if they cannot follow due process and the law in order to enter said country LEGALLY - then kick them out!  Any other option leads straight to the said country's border being meaningless.

 

For myself, a lowly little canadien that I am, I am at least thrilled that Canada is moving towards disallowing immigrants from having duel-citizenship.  You either come here to be canadien, or you're only here to visit.  But a man cannot have two masters, cannot give allegiance to two nations.  I think the US (correct me if I'm wrong) have this for them at least (with of course the exception of Obama).

[Socrates]

But the Democrats need more voters!

And the big businesses backing the GOP need more cheap labor to exploit!

[dUSt]

Illegal Immigrants are the ones who are making reforming legal immigration a nightmare , coming here illegally harms everyone, it is insulting to those who go about the right way of doing things.

Sooo.... I still don't understand. Why are illegal immigrants a problem?

And there's this:

http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/55612/20150520/bishop-dobbs-u-s-state-department-denies-visa-for-assyrian-christians-in-iraq-who-face-imminent-threats-from-isis.htm

 

[superblue]

 I think we both know that any government agency we have is full of BS, so trying to elicit sympathy from a horrible situation doesn't really qualify as justification.

One can easily ask how come the Pope didn't have someone find a ship,plane,or train and have those people brought to Rome for safety.

I can't really go on  repeating the same thing over and over, but i guess i could take the approach that those in the democrat party take, and those that are in favor of just chucking laws down the tube while not demanding that globally there be no boarders what so ever and simply repeat over and over that i am right you are wrong, show me proof.

This is one of those things were you either agree or disagree, for better or worse.

More over i could spend the time to give bullet points, links, facts, etc from sources online, but the problem then is, does it qualify to the standards of nay sayers... which means basically, if the proof doesn't come from their approved sources , then it isn't true. An that is why the democrat party is able to put a noose around the republican parties neck, and yank it as tight as they want when they want, because the morons keep trying to appease them.An if I were to go on and ask how come it is okay for other countries to not allow illegal immigrants to come waltzing across their boarders, and to force them to stop demanding that others learn the language of the land, the party of enlightenment throws their hands up and rolls their eyes in disgust.One small insignificant example why open boarders is a terrible idea, is human trafficking , it is already a giant problem as it is, but have fun trying to develop an agency to identify who is coming across on their own free will or not once our boarders are free.

But again, it isn't about right or wrong in politics it is about winning and power, and who can dazzle the simpletons the best with their smoke and mirrors, while crushing their backs in the process and circumventing the rule of law and destroying the Catholic Church as much as possible to maintain their illusion of power.

And for some reason it is okay to admit republicans are screwing things up , but go against the grain and call the democrat party what they are and evidently you are nothing but an uneducated person who just listens to fox news night and day and drools and drags ones knuckles on the ground.

[Peace]

Superblue - if someone desires to come to the USA to attempt to make a better life for himself or herself, and does not desire to come here to commit crime or cause people harm, should that person be allowed to come and live here?

I believe that all such persons should be allowed to come here to live, without restriction. I believe that the planet is ultimately God's creation, and that because I did not create this land I do not have any more right to live here than does anyone else.

Would you also allow all of them in, or keep some of them out?

If you were to keep some of them out, what would be your criteria concerning who is allowed to enter and who is not?

And what would be your justification for not allowing some people to live here, if you believe that some should not be allowed?

Just want to clarify what you believe.

Concise and logical answers are always greatly appreciated.

[superblue]

Superblue - if someone desires to come to the USA to attempt to make a better life for himself or herself, and does not desire to come here to commit crime or cause people harm, should that person be allowed to come and live here?

I believe that all such persons should be allowed to come here to live, without restriction. I believe that the planet is ultimately God's creation, and that because I did not create this land I do not have any more right to live here than does anyone else.

Would you also allow all of them in, or keep some of them out?

If you were to keep some of them out, what would be your criteria concerning who is allowed to enter and who is not?

And what would be your justification for not allowing some people to live here, if you believe that some should not be allowed?

Just want to clarify what you believe.

Concise and logical answers are always greatly appreciated.

I already clarified enough.