superblue Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Is it wrong to pray for someone to leave your Church and go to another one ? An would it be wrong also to pray for someone you don't like be it at work, school, in the neighborhood, to pray that they find some place else to go. Not praying they have something bad happen to them, just pray that they move along, go be themselves perhaps become better and do it away from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 On 6/18/2015 at 8:20 PM, superblue said: Is it wrong to pray for someone to leave your Church and go to another one ? An would it be wrong also to pray for someone you don't like be it at work, school, in the neighborhood, to pray that they find some place else to go. Not praying they have something bad happen to them, just pray that they move along, go be themselves perhaps become better and do it away from you. We had to ban a guy from our parish because he was trying to spread sedevacantism, and actually drew away a couple parishioners over it. Diocese got involved and my understanding is that they issued him with a written trespass. He can go to other Catholic parishes if he chooses, just not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 that , is pretty interesting stuff Nihil, never heard of anything like that,,, but i mean in general, it really isn't " wrong " to pray or hope someone just moves on an goes some where else because he or she is a nuisance or just mean or what ever. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 It could be wrong and it could be justified. It is a matter of prudence and charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If that person is Dolores Umbridge, then such action is justifiable. If not, then you must have proof of seven acts of heretical statements from them that would hold up in the court of law. It's difficult, but 'tis the law of the Church, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 On 6/19/2015 at 1:04 AM, Nihil Obstat said: We had to ban a guy from our parish because he was trying to spread sedevacantism, and actually drew away a couple parishioners over it. Diocese got involved and my understanding is that they issued him with a written trespass. He can go to other Catholic parishes if he chooses, just not ours. I can't imagine any priest I know banning someone from a parish. Not that it isn't good action to take, mind you, but I just can't imagine any of the priests I know telling someone he can't go to Mass at their parish anymore, regardless of the reason. A difference between diocesan priests and Fraternity priests, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) There was this one guy in our diocese who was harassing masses and hanging out around church parking lots and being a threat or something, so the diocese got a restraining order from all church property. He went to jail for like a year or something too. So it happens. Edited June 19, 2015 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) On 6/19/2015 at 3:00 AM, veritasluxmea said: There was this one guy in our diocese who was harassing masses and hanging out around church parking lots and being a threat or something, so the diocese got a restraining order from all church property. He went to jail for like a year or something too. So it happens. Yeah, but that's different than banning a guy from your parish because of doctrinal reasons. I've known several dissident Catholics who run openly and freely in their parishes, spreading their dissidence to other Catholics in the parish with nary a warning or even an acknowledgement by the parish priests that it is even happening. Edited June 19, 2015 by PhuturePriest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ^Well then, only consider my answer to deal with someone who is being a physical threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) On 6/19/2015 at 3:05 AM, PhuturePriest said: Yeah, but that's different Edited June 19, 2015 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 On 6/19/2015 at 3:00 AM, PhuturePriest said: I can't imagine any priest I know banning someone from a parish. Not that it isn't good action to take, mind you, but I just can't imagine any of the priests I know telling someone he can't go to Mass at their parish anymore, regardless of the reason. A difference between diocesan priests and Fraternity priests, I suppose. I think it was the diocesan priest who took charge of that actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 On 6/19/2015 at 3:08 AM, veritasluxmea said: On 6/19/2015 at 3:25 AM, Nihil Obstat said: I think it was the diocesan priest who took charge of that actually. Ah, then that is quite pleasing to hear. I suppose I'm too used to my previous anything-goes-as-long-as-everyone's-happy diocese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 On 6/19/2015 at 1:38 AM, superblue said: that , is pretty interesting stuff Nihil, never heard of anything like that,,, but i mean in general, it really isn't " wrong " to pray or hope someone just moves on an goes some where else because he or she is a nuisance or just mean or what ever. ? hmm... I think I read a quote from somewhere... maybe a Saint.. it was definitely a very valid Catholic source... (sorry I forgot) that it's charitable to not only forgive people who are a "nuisance", but to wish to see them again, to treat them kindly, etc. Maybe St Josemaria Escriva said this. That's only if they're annoying or something. If a person is actually leading others astray, or is a danger to someone, then it's a matter of protecting others. But we still need to treat them with charity, even in correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaatee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 On 6/30/2015 at 4:12 PM, MarysLittleFlower said: hmm... I think I read a quote from somewhere... maybe a Saint.. it was definitely a very valid Catholic source... (sorry I forgot) that it's charitable to not only forgive people who are a "nuisance", but to wish to see them again, to treat them kindly, etc. Maybe St Josemaria Escriva said this. That's only if they're annoying or something. If a person is actually leading others astray, or is a danger to someone, then it's a matter of protecting others. But we still need to treat them with charity, even in correction. No, St. Therese of the Child Jesus said this. And acted upon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaatee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 On 6/19/2015 at 3:00 AM, veritasluxmea said: There was this one guy in our diocese who was harassing masses and hanging out around church parking lots and being a threat or something, so the diocese got a restraining order from all church property. He went to jail for like a year or something too. So it happens. That's a different matter. He was breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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