veritasluxmea Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) It's very easy to simply say "The right decision is to ditch the pig!", Unfortunately in their culture, she couldn't leave even if she wanted to. She has been raised and trained to rely on a man in her life (first their father, then their husband) for everything- food, shelter, living. She has no college education or means of supporting herself and her children. Her cultural mentality is the man in her life will take care of her- so how could she possibly leave him? Her family would shun her, a form of disowning, if she asked them for help in a separation. Leaving her husband would require leaving her culture, religious beliefs, family, children, everything, and she would start out with nothing. Quiverfull culture is a cult. Edited August 28, 2015 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'm just sick of hearing about this croutons. But I clicked on the thread so it's my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 It's a work and prayer camp, not a certified rehab or whatever program. Typical. Very sad about this whole situation. God save us from protestant heresies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Her family would shun her, a form of disowning, if she asked them for help in a separation. Leaving her husband would require leaving her culture, religious beliefs, family, children, everything, and she would start out with nothing. Quiverfull culture is a cult. I don't know if the wife is from a quiverful family. From her brother's comments it seems like at least part of her family would support her decision to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The pastor at the church where the Duggars attend gave a sermon where he blamed Josh's wife for his affair. "If a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves up to the attack of the enemy. And that enemy is going to take your spouse away from you." He added, "Both men and woman have their sexual needs met by someone, somewhere, somehow." Wow, this is messed up and is making the situation worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LoveofJMJ Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Unfortunately in their culture, she couldn't leave even if she wanted to. She has been raised and trained to rely on a man in her life (first their father, then their husband) for everything- food, shelter, living. She has no college education or means of supporting herself and her children. Her cultural mentality is the man in her life will take care of her- so how could she possibly leave him? Her family would shun her, a form of disowning, if she asked them for help in a separation. Leaving her husband would require leaving her culture, religious beliefs, family, children, everything, and she would start out with nothing. Quiverfull culture is a cult. The pastor at the church where the Duggars attend gave a sermon where he blamed Josh's wife for his affair. "If a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves up to the attack of the enemy. And that enemy is going to take your spouse away from you." He added, "Both men and woman have their sexual needs met by someone, somewhere, somehow." Wow, this is messed up and is making the situation worse. Amazing. Honestly I'm not surprised with this at all. I did not like the way they handled the last scandal at all. It made me sick to my stomach to watch it all unfold. The men are always blameless and the women get nothing what so ever. @tinytherese was there an article where you read this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't know if the wife is from a quiverful family. From her brother's comments it seems like at least part of her family would support her decision to leave. Her family is Quiverfull, but some of the siblings have left the movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The pastor at the church where the Duggars attend gave a sermon where he blamed Josh's wife for his affair. "If a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves up to the attack of the enemy. And that enemy is going to take your spouse away from you." He added, "Both men and woman have their sexual needs met by someone, somewhere, somehow." Wow, this is messed up and is making the situation worse. To some extent, this is true -- for instance, if your spouse decides that sex once every six months is sufficient, that will cause major strain in the marriage. However, that does not excuse cheating or watching pornography, and it is irrelevant in this situation anyway, because he had been involved in this stuff before the marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I read this morning that only 3 zip codes in the U.S. didn't have any Ashley clients. Two were remote Inuit villages in Alaska and one a remote place in New Mexico that didn't have internet access. <1% of the female accounts were real, so don't put any stock in that little factoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't know if the wife is from a quiverful family. From her brother's comments it seems like at least part of her family would support her decision to leave. Her family is Quiverfull, but some of the siblings have left the movement. Interesting, Ive never heard of that term before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Typical. Very sad about this whole situation. God save us from protestant heresies. I doubt that these kind of programs or ways of dealing with sexual scandal are limited to Protestants. The problems the Catholic Church has faced due to trying to cover up child abuse by priests should have taught us that sexual issues can even affect Roman Catholic men who have chosen to devote their lives to God, sad as that is. Any time we try to present ourselves as more Godly and righteous than someone else, there are potential problems ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I doubt that these kind of programs or ways of dealing with sexual scandal are limited to Protestants. The problems the Catholic Church has faced due to trying to cover up child abuse by priests should have taught us that sexual issues can even affect Roman Catholic men who have chosen to devote their lives to God, sad as that is. Any time we try to present ourselves as more Godly and righteous than someone else, there are potential problems ahead. Quiverfull culture/cult/religion, which the Duggars are a part of, is a very ugly side of Protestantism. The whole movement/belief/culture was what I was referring to when I posted about heresies, not the "rehab" program. (Probably should have been clearer.) I still stand by my statement. The Duggar's religion is very damaging to the whole person... and they way the Duggars are handling it is typical to their beliefs and subculture. I could just never be a show of a show glorifying this religion.Yuk. Interesting, Ive never heard of that term before. Worldwide, there are only about a couple thousand people identifying with the movement, and it's very new, starting around the 1980's. It's really only due to the internet blogs from ex-members (and the Duggar family) that it's gaining awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I've seen many Catholics praise the Duggars to the sky but their belief system doesn't share the same admiration for Catholicism. It's my understanding that like other Christian fundamentalists, the Quiverfull beliefs involve a very negative view of Catholicism and the Church, one that goes beyond mainline Protestants of the polite sort who disagree on doctrine and whatnot. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2703428/Jessa-Duggars-Christian-boyfriend-Ben-Seewald-deletes-anti-Catholic-Facebook-rant.html Jessa Duggar's boyfriend/husband/whatever wants us to be "saved" from our "deadly" errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Amazing. Honestly I'm not surprised with this at all. I did not like the way they handled the last scandal at all. It made me sick to my stomach to watch it all unfold. The men are always blameless and the women get nothing what so ever. @tinytherese was there an article where you read this from? https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=duggar+pastor+blames+anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Honestly, is this garbage worthy of 13 pages of discussion? Does endlessly discussing the Duggar's sins and failings do anybody here and positive good? How about some prayers for all involved, then move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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